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Leati · 11/07/2007 08:31

So if you have chatted with me by now you realize that I am from the United States. I am frequently surprised by some of the different perspective of people here vs. there.

What originally caught my attention and brought me to the website was a news article about parents being upset of a missing child ad before a movie. Here in the United States our missing children our posted on milk cartons that are distributed at school. But in the UK people seemed to feel that there children were unnecessarily being frightened. In the United States parents are encouraged to role play "strangers with their kids." I pretend to be a stranger approaching my children with something that might attract a child like a puppy or candy. Then they react to the stranger. The theory is practice now and later your child will put those skillst to work. Like a fire or an earthquake drill.

The next difference that really shocked me was a parent stated that it was sad that children in the US had to be taught about good touches and bad. I have posted two websites related to your Britains child sexual abuse rates. The government sites shows that 12% girls had been sexually abused before 16 and 8% of boys...in the UK. And yet I have had serious arguements with mothers from the UK over educating your children about good touches and bad touches. Help me understand the how we can have such different opinions.

Pasted is a copy of the report and the website it was pulled from
"Of 2019 men and women (aged 15 years and over) interviewed as part of a MORI Survey of a nationally representative sample of Great Britain, 10% reported that they had been sexually abused before the age of 16 (12% of females; 8% of males). There was no increased risk associated with specific social class categories or area of residence. For all types of sexual abuse, the mean age of victims when first abused was significantly lower for females. Subjective reports of the effects of sexual abuse indicated that the majority (51%) felt harmed by the experience, while only 4% reported that it had improved the quality of their life. We estimate that there are over 4.5 million adults in Great Britain who were sexually abused as children, and that a potential 1,117,000 children will be sexually abused before they are 15 years of age. At least 143,000 of these will be abused within the family. The social and mental health implications are enormous, and the authors suggest that an effective intervention and prevention policy is urgently required."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=4084825&dopt =Abstract

home.earthlink.net/~elnunes/stats.htm

Pitch in and make this one interesting. Maybe we can learn from each other.

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Pruners · 11/07/2007 11:04

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butterbeer · 11/07/2007 11:05

That's not an extract from the children's materials. And it's worth noting that it's not exclusively a programme about sexual abuse -- it covers (at differing levels depending on age group) physical abuse and bullying as well and for older children also addresses sexual harassment, emotional abuse and neglect.

No, sexual contact between an adult and a child is not described as a "bad touch". The fact that it isn't a "bad touch" the same way as hitting or kicking would be is I think one of the important messages -- children hear so much about hitting and kicking and biting being bad that if something doesn't hurt they "know" it isn't in that same "bad" category. IIRC it's described as a "sexual abuse touch" or a "confusing touch".

I'd agree that if a child can't understand he concepts of forcing or tricking they are probably too young for the programme -- but I don't think a child has to be very old to be able to grasp those concepts. There is a focus on the fact that the child is special, their bodies are their own and special, and that if something that happens makes them uncomfortable they can and should talk to a trusted adult about it. Building up self-esteem about themselves and their bodies is one of the aims.

There is a lot more to it, too. All you're getting here is my impressions as a not-trained person who hasn't seen all the material anyway and is now trying to explain it without making a hash of it, which as I can't generally explain things I do know a lot about without making a hash of it is tricky. But I think you'll find that the actual materials for children are simple, unambiguous and clear.

If you're actually interested, try looking at the website or dropping them an email.

KerryMumbledore · 11/07/2007 11:06

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butterbeer · 11/07/2007 11:09

You are not infringing their copyright. I can talk to DS about Harry Potter or the Wiggles or (his latest obsession that he picked up from somewhere and I am trying to discourage) Roary the Racing Car as much as I want.

I can't publish a book called "Harry Potter and the Noun of Adjective", and I can't release a CD under the name "The Wiggles", and I can't start manufacturing and selling "Roary the Racing Car" toys. And you can't write a book called "Good touch Bad touch", but I don't think that infringes upon your rights too much.

TnOgu · 11/07/2007 11:19

< Can I just correct my spelling of appropriate.

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