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jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 11:56

Hi all.

So. Me and my partner (19 + 20) currently live with my partners mom in a small 2 bed flat (privately rented by MIL). She can be difficult to get on with sometimes, which I can completely understand.. who would want their sons girlfriend living with them for 2 years.. right? Some of the arguments my partner and herself have are quite explosive, no physical abuse now, but there has been before. (she does have a history of it too.. lots of social service investigations with my partner as a child) - there has been one incident where I had to call the police, however that was last year and it was her partner (who doesn't live with us) that had caused it. We have also been made homeless by her, we were for 3 months. So it isn't exactly a stable living situation. We went from friends houses to grandparents and in the end she agreed to let us stay with her again upon finding out I'd actually had a miscarriage (we didn't know I was pregnant, until I went to the doctors over the whole thing and they told us both what was happening.) When we were homeless, the council said they couldn't really do anything unless we had children. So, that didn't go very far.

I find it easy to deal with in a way, SOMETIMES, as the whole reason she agreed to let me move in those 2 years ago was because my own partners were very abusive towards me, both physically and mentally. Other times I find it very hard. I'd dealt with it all of my life, but the day I moved out I just couldn't anymore. I'm just appreciative that she was kind enough to take me in, but the other times I just wish we weren't in this situation and it's really stressful. I dread to think how my partner deals, as he has been on AD's for the past year.

I'm currently 21+2 weeks pregnant. We had spoken about children in the future, but REALLY hadn't planned any this soon. We wanted to have our own home sorted before any bun was popped in the oven 😂 but, things happen.. and besides the situation we are over the moon about it all. I was still on BC and had been for a long time, so I didn't expect it to happen as silly as that sounds. We put an application in for housing at the council a few weeks ago, sent all of the proofs off, etc. Had some hassle over the due date as I haven't yet had my matb1 (won't be until my next appointment which is at 24 weeks 2 days) so I gave them my ultrasound result from the first scan which said my EDD was 02.04.19. Still waiting to hear anything off them about whether that was enough.

There is nowhere near enough space in this flat for 3 adults and a baby. We have nowhere to put a cot/moses basket as both bedrooms are tiny and the living room wouldn't really have enough space because of the sofa, and all of the cabinets she has for ornaments. Plus, we have 2 cats, and I wouldn't trust them around the baby at night when one of us has to go to bed, that probably sounds really stupid. We barely have enough space now to store anything for the baby, all we have is the travel system squashed into our wardrobe and a few clothes packed up here and there in our room, as she kicks up a stink about any of our stuff being outside of our bedroom but it's at the point where we can only get in and out by getting on the bed and getting off the other side.. and she really is pushing for us to be out, so I'm terrified she will make us homeless again when the LO is here.

My partner has just this week lost his job after being laid off doing factory work. I lost my job just before I found out I was pregnant and have been actively looking for a new one since, I've had a lot of interviews but have not hear anything back. I really haven't had any luck. Put numerous claims in for JSA, but that hasn't really worked out very well either.

So once we have some sort of money coming in, we will be saving incase we can find anywhere privately - but with our ages, we need guarantors, we've asked everyone we know of that owns their house and no one wants to do it as they've had hassle in the past. So our only hope, I think, is the council unfortunately. Unless we get lucky and find a landlord who isn't so fussed about the guarantor.

So aside from all that 😂
What sort of experiences have you all had with the council? Is it worth it, or would we be better off carrying on trying to find somewhere privately? I've heard a lot of mixed things. My MIL managed to get herself a council flat when she was expecting my partner but lost it over not paying rent.. everyone else I know with children rents privately but have all told us to stick to the council because of our situation. Just not really sure if that will work out either!

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AjasLipstick · 22/11/2018 12:32

You won't need guarantors if you can pay 6 months rent in advance. That sounds like a lot I know but it's really the only way.

Other than that, if your partner's Mum throws you out then the council have to house you somehow....which will probably be temp housing...ie a bed and breakfast.

Then once you'd been in there for about a year, you might get pushed up the list and into a flat.

Sticking with the council only works if you're WITH the council...which you're not. And as long as you're in with his Mum, the council won't house you because you're adequately housed already and one less worry for them.

jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 12:49

@AjasLipstick I have been told that just wasn't sure if it was true or not so thankyou! I would really prefer not to be put into a bnb, so I'll talk to my partner more about saving the 6 months worth.
Would be a hell of a lot of money but if it's the only way it'll be worth it. I'm sure she wouldn't mind us staying here with the baby, as long as she knows we're saving towards getting our own place finally and that we wouldn't be there long.

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AjasLipstick · 22/11/2018 12:51

Speak to some local estate agents. Be completely honest and tell them you suspect you might need a guarantor but know that you wouldn't know anyone suitable....so if you wanted to rent a house, would a 6 months rent in advance work for them instead of a guarantor.

They'd probably put you on a 6 month lease then.

gamerchick · 22/11/2018 13:24

I would really prefer not to be put into a bnb

See the thing is you may not have a choice. The council could say your child is adequately housed until they're 5. They put a stop to giving out property's because of babies years ago.

You are better off trying to sort yourself out in a private rent while your partner finds another job if you want to leave where you are.

LIZS · 22/11/2018 13:29

You have no choice over whether the housing offered is temporary. There is plenty of seasonal work at the moment which might help you save up. As you are young maybe ymca operate schemes to help young families in your area. Why are you not getting jsa?

jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 14:54

@LIZS I have applied for the seasonal work in my area, I made the mistake of telling the ones I had interviews for that I was expecting, so I'm guessing that's why I've never heard back.. it wouldn't be that I don't have the experience, I have been working since I was 15, this year once I lost my last job (that I'd worked in for over a year, change of management decided there were too many staff and happened to get rid of me, was cash in hand so couldn't do much) it just seems like I haven't been able to get back on my feet. I could look into the ymca, I am just worried there won't be much help available as we're a couple Sad lots of horror stories about.

We've put a claim in, the meeting to set it all up is next week. We have only managed to ever have one full payment. We cancelled it in April when my partner got a new job, he lost that a few months later but still had a cash in hand job for £50 a week (we didn't want to lie to them like everyone has told us to, as if they had found out we were hiding money from them, the consequences would have been a lot worse) and they didn't pay us anything at all - we had a letter saying we were still "earning enough to live".. which I thought was ridiculous as the weekly rate per person for my age each is £57.90, so £115.80 for both of us. Don't understand how I was earning enough with no job? ConfusedConfused

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jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 14:58

@AjasLipstick thankyou for the advise hun!
We have viewed a few houses and flats through different agents, just the fact we have no money has held us back a little.
Maybe when we are able to start saving we can finally take the next step and see if a 6 month deposit would be enough for them. I will ask around a few tomorrow just to make sure they would accept it Smile

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TulipsInbloom1 · 22/11/2018 15:00

Have you registered with the local housing associations bidding site and started bidding on HA properties? If not, do that.

KlutzyDraconequus · 22/11/2018 15:03

This depends entirely on where you are but most 'council housing' these days is run by Housing Associations.

I'll explain with an example.
I'm in Lincolnshire. I wanted to move and decided to apply for housing. They directed me to a website 'Www.homechoicelincs.com
I filled in the application form, submitted it, waited a week or so and was given a banding.
The bandings denote your priority order.
A being highest, D Beng lowest priority.
Once you get your banding your free to log into the website and look at homes available. If you see one you like, you apply.
This is open to anyone with any banding.
The properties are advertised for a week. After the week is up, they look at the applications and offer viewings to the highest priority band's first. Then the next bands, then the next etc etc etc.

To round my example off,
I was living I a semi detached 3 bed Housing association place. I wanted to move to a 2 bed housing association place. I applied in April 2018, I moved in June 2018.

So dependant where you are, have a Google for your counties home choice website.
Good luck.

jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 15:04

@gamerchick I know there wouldn't be much of a choice for us hun. If it comes to it we may have to go down that route. But hopefully we can get sorted.

I think it's a little silly really.. with no offence to anyone intended, I know of a few people my age that have council housing with young children but are in a good enough situation financially to have a privately rented or mortgaged home Confused I'm not expecting it to be handed to us, but they way they've made it out to be it was to them. It's sad, especially for people who are a lot worse off than we are, there doesn't seem to be many options available these days unfortunately Sad

See the thing is you may not have a choice. The council could say your child is adequately housed until they're 5. They put a stop to giving out property's because of babies years ago.

You are better off trying to sort yourself out in a private rent while your partner finds another job if you want to leave where you are.

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jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 15:05

@TulipsInbloom1 I have been looking into housing associations but unsure on how to get onto the lists Confused

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jinxxybinx · 22/11/2018 15:07

@KlutzyDraconequus
We are from the Staffordshire area. As I replied to someone else, I have been looking into it all but unsure of where to apply for them! Would it be worth going into the local CAB? I will have another search and see if there is any way I can apply online. The council didn't give much info on HA's.

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KlutzyDraconequus · 22/11/2018 15:13

www.home-options.org/choice/content.aspx?pageid=1

Try here op.
Register direct on their site. :)

KlutzyDraconequus · 22/11/2018 15:17

or here
www.staffshousing.org.uk/rentahome/how-to-rent/

wannabestressfree · 22/11/2018 15:26

In Kent you automatically go onto housing lists eg orbit when you go onto the council list. I was on the list for a year with a low banding until I was moved to band A and given a house within a fortnight.

sunshineandshowers21 · 22/11/2018 15:30

in my area getting a council house is extremely difficult and you can be on the housing list for over a year. a friend of mine recently split with her boyfriend and had to move back in with her mum, and despite it being her and three kids in a tiny box room the council have told her she isn’t a high enough priority for housing. she also has to bid on houses that are miles away or inappropriate for her needs or risk being moved down the list.

ReggieKrayDoYouKnowMyName · 22/11/2018 15:52

I live in a crowded London borough but even so, I don’t know anyone who’s managed to get a council place with just a baby. You need two kids or one over five or to really be living in extremely cramped conditions. A friend of mine fled domestic violence in her marriage (had been living near his parents up north) and came back here with her four kids aged between 6 and literally newborn. They were living in the third bedroom of her mum and step dads 3 bed terrace, with her sister and her 7yo living in the second bedroom AND THAT STILL WASNT CLASSED AS OVERCROWDED!!

She ended up renting privately by paying six months ahead as some other posters have suggested, but it took her over a year to save it.

smurfy2015 · 22/11/2018 18:06

I spent years in private rent and the last landlord I had was awful.

For my health and other needs, I was advised by my medical team that I should apply for council housing, my experience is good all round, I applied in the 3rd week of March and was allocated a house just 4 weeks later. However it wasn't ready for me for another 6 months as needed some adaptions which by the time I had moved in, I had detoriated to past needing what was done and am now waiting for another place with is expected to be ready in April next year. I know that's not relevant to you but that's my experience.

No idea what country you are in the UK, I'm in NI. Points are allocated based on various criteria. I didn't get as far as the complex needs assessment before I got to bid on the present house and got accepted. I got offered this house at 15 points.

You are pregnant, in very cramped conditions, its causing stress to you and the baby, and your partner as the baby's other parent. There is a history of your MIL making you both homeless in the past, (as sleeping on friends sofas etc you become hidden homeless), you need somewhere secure for the sake of you and your baby and your partner has been emotionally abused over years (backed up by social service investigations). Your partner is on anti-depressants and you are living in a "walking on eggshells" situation as constantly in fear she will throw you out.

From a safety perspective, the fact there is so little room "it's at the point where we can only get in and out by getting on the bed and getting off the other side", take photos of that, use those with your application as if the room is so small, it is potentially a risk in the event of a fire for both of you as adults to be there if you have to climb over a bed to get out, never mind the risk to trying to get a baby out safely also.

Good to see you have put an application in with the council as that is the start.

I'm sure your partner is "on eggshells" as well as wants to be with you and have space for you and baby and have your life together.

Where you are is unsafe due to lack of space, the potential for emotional abuse of both of you, dangerous for baby as don't have space at all (as having to climb across beds to access room), will be in a volatile unstable situation and can potentially be made homeless at any point. She has in the past made you both homeless and that is even worse with a baby on way and potential for it to happen again.

You might be lucky and offered something fairly quickly however it may not be in the area you are in now, to be completely honest, it sounds like she is toxic in that she has made you homeless in the past and emotionally abused her son to the point to warrant social services input on several occasions during his growing up.

Between now and the appointment for council next week, make GP appointments both of you. The one for you is to ask the GP to note how the strain of all this is affecting you and in turn potentially affecting the baby (if you are constantly stressed and on edge, baby gets the effects), also discuss with Midwife and any other health workers who will know you are stressed and why, they will know the potential effect on baby.

The one for your partner is to ask for supportive evidence of the history of social services intervention due to his mother and also explain the reason he is on anti-depressants if her treatment is a factor as well as noting the stress of unstable housing.

The friends and family members who put you up during that 3 months timescale, ask them to write supportive letters with regard to what has happened in the past and their assessment on the potential for it to happen again. Even if they were only able to put you up a couple of nights due to their own tenancies, get them to explain that as you cant fall back on them, it all helps as you dont have a safe net.

The incident where you had to call the police, that was due to an explosive row (volatile living environment), even thought MILs partner was involved, as if he is triggered off rows to the point where police are needed, that is not good for both of you much less a baby in the midst. Can you get in touch with police and get an incident number for that also if possible the name of the officer who dealt with it.

" in the end, she agreed to let us stay with her again upon finding out I'd actually had a miscarriage (we didn't know I was pregnant until I went to the doctors over the whole thing and they told us both what was happening." The stress of being homeless while pregnant wouldn't have helped you overall, even you didn't know you were actually pregnant.

How is your MIL around babies? She may see herself as grandma but when a baby is crying and doing all the baby things esp as they start to become more aware of the world around them, things can be noisy. Is she really going to tolerate that esp night after night? Babies make noise, that's a fact. If her partner is staying over, how does he tolerate them.

Babies are lovely but they are also very hard work and can make noise when you least expect it and lots of smells, which if you have to keep everything in your room where you are having to crawl across it with baby literally in your arms is unsafe. Physically and emotionally.

This week your partner has lost his job, he needs to apply for JSA asap. www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance and also do a benefits checker together to see if can claim anything else, check also in case your area is UC area and go thru the calculator for that too.

Also when you are at 29/30 weeks, remember to apply for this - www.gov.uk/sure-start-maternity-grant and as you are on a low income and need to give the baby the best nutrients possible, www.gov.uk/healthy-start -

Contact Shelter to see if they have any other advice as in my honest opinion and I did a stint in sheltered housing and working with people on the streets, this is not a good environment for both of you as parents to bring a new baby home to.

You need a bit of space, more than you have now and what about when the baby is crying and MIL partner gets annoyed and kicks off another row which needs the police.

Even if housed temporary away from there, I think would be a weight off your shoulders, contact Shelter and also gather up as much evidence for your case that you should be on the housing list and why you meet the criteria for points. Look up your local authority as they should publish their points criteria.

Congratulations on your pregnancy

By the sounds of it, I think council housing would be your best bet as the rent is low and at least where I am once you have been a tenant for a year, you are secure and as long as rent is paid, its usually quite good from there on.

PersonalM0Tee · 01/12/2018 03:13

I would estimate that you will not be classed as over crowded until your child is born or the child is older.

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