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justsad · 01/08/2004 21:37

I'm a (very) regular MNer but I've changed my name for this. Mainly because some of my family know I post on here and what my nickname is. I don't want them to know I'm airing our dirty linen in public, so to speak, but I really need a place to get my feelings out. I've deliberated for a few days as to whether to post or not...but what the hell, eh?

My brother has been through a really shtty time of late. He split up with his wife - long story - but basically he loved her, she didn't love him, they got massively into debt, she decided to shg his best friend (less than 12 months into the marriage). It was a big, horrible mess. She stayed in the marital home 'til he bought her out. On the day he moved back in he found she had trashed the place - it would have been a good candidate for Kim and Aggie, then the House Doctor. He has worked damn hard to get the house nice again, sort his debts out (she walked away with everything, leaving him with all the debts - he was so devastated he didn't contest this). Their divorce came through at the beginning of the year.

She pitched up on his doorstep 2 months ago (they have stayed in touch, don't ask me why) - very upset. Turned out she was pregnant. Some bloke at work. My brother listened to her, held her hand, made cups of tea. She decided she would have a termination. He took time off work to go with her. He said he sat in the hospital and felt that all the nurses were looking at him and judging him and he wanted to say "it's not mine. She wouldn't have one with me." He said to me afterwards that it was so ironic, because she sat on the settee, in what was their marital home, and said she was pregnant. And he thought of all the times he had imagined her sitting there and saying it and how over the moon he would have been (he was desperate for kids).

Anyway (said it was long). That was 2 months ago and finally, finally, things seemed to be looking up. He got a big promotion at work - which will involve moving away. Although we (me and family) are sad about the move, my Mum and I have secretly said it is a good opportunity for him to distance himself from his ex-wife - a new start. although nervous, he is really delighted to have got the new job.

He found out he'd got the job last Friday. On Monday he got a phone call at work. A girl he had a one-night stand with on a drunken works do. She is 9 weeks pregnant. She's keeping it. He met her this weekend to talk - she is older than him (mid 30s), and he knew her vaguely from work though she has subsequently left. He is absolutely devastated. She says she doesn't want anything from him - though is happy for him to be involved if he wants to be. He hardly knows her but says she is a "nice girl."

I am just so sad. At first I was so angry (like..stupid bl*dy idiot, has he never heard of condoms? She said she was on the pill). My Mum is heartbroken - and I'm mad at him for putting her (and my Dad) through yet more sht. They are neither of them in the best of health and they have already helped him with his (massive) debts and to sort out his house. But as it sinks in I am less angry and just sad. I found myself filling up in a shop the other day as I queued up next to the New Baby cards. It's so weird to think of there being a baby out there and the likelihood is I won't know it at all. I mean, he's a plonker but he's my brother and I love him - and he would make a great dad but not like this. It sounds like something off Trisha doesn't it, and we are not like that - we are just an ordinary family.

Everything is up to her - whether he sees the baby or not, whether she takes him to the cleaners financially, if she gets married at some point where will he stand. What a bl**dy mess. Lord, I don't even know whether to post this or not. I just feel I need somewhere to blurt it all out. I hope she's not a MNer.

Sorry it's so long. Am going to sit now for a minute and decide whether to press the create converstion button or not.

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Blackduck · 01/08/2004 21:41

sh*t big hugs....god isn't life ironic (or a bitch) which ever way you choose to look at it...
Sympathy and higs and hope it all works out for the best (I know bl**dy trite...)

Blackduck · 01/08/2004 21:41

thats HUGS not higs (whatever the hell they are...)

unicorn · 01/08/2004 21:43

well you did press the button- so you obviously need to "talk" about it.
You can only do your best for your brother- by means of support etc, it really is his problem, not yours- you have your life and family to look after.
All you can really do is be there for him when he needs you (and he will- you sound a fabulous sister)

WideWebWitch · 01/08/2004 22:06

I don't think all this sounds that terrible! Sorry, I don't mean to belittle what you're feeling but there are some big positives here:

Your brother's sorted his debts and housing out
He's got a great new job
He's helped his ex wife out when she was having a hard time but is moving on from it
His one night stand has told him she's pregnant and said he can be involved if he wants to be. So what if he's younger than her? It just doesn't sound like the end of the world to me. Why would your mum be heartbroken? It's not so terrible, yes, he will have to pay maintenance but sorry, it does take 2 to make a baby so that's fair enough I think (I don't think it's fair to get pregnant without a man's agreement but we don't know the circumstances so we don't know she did this do we?). She can't 'take him to the cleaners' financially but she can (quite rightly) ask for maintenance for their child. I don't think any of this is that awful tbh. And he's old enough to have a job, get married, get a woman pregnant, buy a house - he's old enough to sort out his own problems I think. Not that they sound insurmountable to me! I really would try to stop worrying so much about it. Is your concern and reaction to do with your parents' reaction to all of this do you think? Are they horribly shocked or something? I'm not anyway. Don't know if this helps or not though!

Tanzie · 01/08/2004 22:15

I'm afraid I agree with WWW. If you don't want a baby, use a condom. Live up to your responsibilities and pay for them if that is what you have to do.

I think the positives do outweigh the negatives in all this. You do sound a great sister, but it is his life, and not yours.

Hope things work out.

Paula71 · 01/08/2004 22:22

justsad I am going to take the positive view too. Okay I know nothing about your brother and this woman who is expecting his baby but who is to say it won't work out. It just sounds like one of those situations that might just end beautfully!

Your brother has proven he is capable of pulling himself out of the worst emotional turmoil and has done so superbly.

I can see your viewpoint, in your shoes I would be probably feeling the same but truthfully, weather it out. He has a fantastic family to support him, not many have that and I wish I did! This woman does have the power over him, but that isn't to say she will be ex-wife mark 2.

justsad · 01/08/2004 22:23

Thanks for replies.
No, I guess it's not the end of the world. But it isn't roll out the bunting and have a party either. I do think it's sad - call me old fashioned - but this is no way to have a baby. Btw, she's only a couple of years older than him - and that hasn't got anything to do with it. How can he be the sort of hands on (there all the time!) dad he could be when he has no kind of relationship with the mother? I see how he is with my kids and I wonder if he will have anything approaching that with his own child. We are a very close family, and perhaps I am too involved - yes, it is his problem and he has to sort it out and find a way to make it work.
My parents ARE shocked, though not in a moral way. Well, maybe a bit, different generation and all that.

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BadHair · 01/08/2004 22:24

I agree with wickedwaterwitch. At the moment you're stuck in the middle of all this emotional commotion, but from an outsider's pov things could be much worse.
The woman has been honest with him - she's told him she's pregnant and has given him the option of being involved, which many women wouldn't have done.
It might also be just the thing to make him distance himself from his ex-wife, in an odd kind of way. If he does get involved with the new baby he won't want to put up with any of his ex's cr*p any more.
Once you and your parents get over the shock of all this, could you meet the woman? It might not be the perfect relationship, but she sounds like she's quite sensible and would probably welcome involvement from her baby's "other" grandparents and aunty.
I know its not an ideal situation, but if she's a reasonable sort of woman you could have a whole new branch of the family, and going on what you've said she sounds like she's much nicer than your brother's ex.

tigermoth · 02/08/2004 19:36

It sounds like you are in shock about this news. Just as your brother was getting his future sorted out, things change direction. I am sorry you feel that the closeness of your family is threatened. I can see how you'd feel this so there is little I can say to reverse that.

I think you have to see what time brings - you never know, your brother and this woman might go on to have a relationship. That's just one scenario - all sorts of things can happen, positive and negative. I think WWW's message was great! I know it's horrible not being in control and waiting to see how the dust settles. Really sorry it's got to you this strongly. Vent on mumsnet all you like if it helps.

Chinchilla · 02/08/2004 20:16

Are you maybe more sad that YOU won't be part of it all? This baby will be related to you, so maybe you had visions of being the happy family and all that? Your brother was silly to accept the 'I'm on the pill' line

MeanBean · 02/08/2004 21:22

JustSad, just to add to what others have said, I don't think this is an all bad situation. The worst thing about it of course, is the lack of control. This woman does sound quite reasonable - she has offered him contact, and you might find that if he behaves properly with her, you get an addition to your family which, while not ideal in the way it came about, is an unexpected blessing. But it does depend on how he negotiates with the mother of his child. Needs careful handling - I'd be positive about it when with him. How does he feel about it?

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