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Tory Mums - At Pruni's request

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hannahsaunt · 23/01/2007 14:16

Following on from the feminism thread - thoughts please esp from Tory mums on the Nick Cohen article in the Observer this week (thanks Pruni ):

I have always thought that the most interesting stories barely make the news, and last week Cameron proved my point. He gave an extraordinarily reactionary pledge that made a nonsense of his hippy image and no one in the media raised a questioning eyebrow. Writing in the Telegraph, he promised that under a Conservative government Britain would opt out of the European Union's Social Chapter. The immediate effect would be the removal of legal protection for part-time workers and the ending of the rights of women to extend maternity leave. Not much compassionate conservatism in that announcement, I thought.

I double-checked with Cameron's friends to see if there had been some mistake. Not at all, they told me. You don't understand David if you suppose he believes in regulation, particularly regulation from the EU. But what is going to happen to part-time workers - most of them women and many of them poor? Well, they replied, we will exhort employers to be nice to them. David's views on employment rights are like his views on WH Smith selling chocolate oranges instead of real ones. He's not going to force employers to extend maternity leave any more than he is going to ban Smiths from selling chocolate. He is just going to ask them to do the decent thing.

The TUC is appalled and points out that workers will have nothing to fall back on when employers ignore Cameron's lectures, as I'm sure they will. I asked their officials why with the exception of two tiny articles, there had been no follow-up, and one of them said that she feared that Cameron had an alarmingly accurate understanding of the tensions and double standards of middle-class life. As a leading figure in the Labour movement, she hears daily diatribes on how Blair has sold out from members of London's progressive middle class. With barely a pause for breath, the apparently sincere left-wingers switch to anguished wails about the law forcing them to give their nannies flexible working and other benefits. She doesn't dismiss their problems, and accepts that finding and paying for child care can be hellish. But she does come away thinking that many of them would quietly welcome a cutback on the rights of Britain's new servant class, as long as Cameron could make them feel good by covering a right-wing measure in the unctuous language of moral exhortation.

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Pruni · 23/01/2007 14:27

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hannahsaunt · 23/01/2007 15:12

Not sure that trying to regain some Lords who have defected to UKIP makes this acceptable really .

Surely there's someone out there who thinks this is splendid - or has everyone suddenly seen the light re DC and his crew!

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JoolsToo · 23/01/2007 15:15

the first step is to get mumsnetters to admit that they are Tories.

I wish you luck!

Pruni · 23/01/2007 19:55

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Cappuccino · 23/01/2007 20:00

Oh Gorsh yes I am a Tory

I am always nice to my help

I always give them my old clothes as part of their wages and value them really quite preposterously low for them so they can save on their tax

haw haw haw haw

JoolsToo · 23/01/2007 20:00

oh aye, I'm a tory but who else will confess?

cam is I think, can't think of any others

JoolsToo · 23/01/2007 20:00

oh my! there's one!

Pruni · 23/01/2007 20:02

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JoolsToo · 23/01/2007 20:03

I'm a David Davis fan

Ladymuck · 24/01/2007 08:05

I'm a confessed Tory. Happy to comment but I need a link to the Cameron article I'm afraid. I've searched the Telegraph online and can't find the article that Cohen refers to, and I'm afraid that I'd rather see the original than comment on the Observer's interpretation (as unbiased and balanced as I'm sure that is!). I'm rather dubious of referring to David Cameron's "friends" without naming any of them. The last time I checked "Dave" was friends which just about everybody to the right of John Prescott.

Fillyjonk · 24/01/2007 08:11

pruni onlu saw the title

you are not a tory are you

please tell me there are no tory knitters?

NotQuiteCockney · 24/01/2007 08:20

Oi, I'm a Tory knitter.

I think less regulation is good, and we should rely on corporations good nature and ideas of fair play to ensure they treat their staff well.

[fails utterly to keep a straight face, snickers and runs off]

Fillyjonk · 24/01/2007 08:24
NotQuiteCockney · 24/01/2007 08:29

You do know I'm kidding, right?

DH works in a Toryish field, and I used to work there, too, but neither of us has ever been a Tory. And that article in the Observer really struck me, dunno why - I mean, obviously the Tories will be anti-regulation, that's their thing, isn't it? I think I was just slightly warmed to them by the whole green thing their doing. Oh, and by Tony and the war, shocker. (slightly warmed to them = thinking maybe that they're not necessarily much worse than labour. Who I don't support either!)

uwila · 24/01/2007 08:29

I'm not technically a Tory as I am not British, but I would certainly support Cameron over Brown any day.

However, I agree that I would like to see Cameron's actual words rather than an interpretation of them.

Does anyone know what is in the European Union's Social Chapter? Are there things in there would would serve us well to opt out of?

Speaking of the next election, what I really want to know is what the Conservatives are planning to do to help men and women afford to go back to work after they have children.

Fillyjonk · 24/01/2007 08:44

lol yes i know you're joking nqc .

the guy is a tory, this non regulation what they do.

there is a real anti-regulation anti really any form of organised state control faction in most counter/alternative movements. The The "green" consumers who buy organic green beans from kenya over local uncertified stuff cos they don't want to pollute their own bodies. The people who build "eco-houses" out in nimby-ville rather than renovating a house in the city (reducing transport costs) and getting an allotment. There is a really selfish edge to a suprising number of green gatherings that I have been consistantly shocked by.

They have in common that they are rich, can buy themselves a nice green lifestyle, and are not especially bothered by the plight of people on the top floor of council estates who have some problems getting any fresh vegetables, let alone organic ones.

The approach epitomised, of late, by the economist whose editor, not conincidentally, is an advisor to cameron.

It is to these people that cameron is speaking

in these matters I am a big fan of, and indeed a member of, the women's environmental network

they do marvellous grassroots work, eg turning local wasteland into community gardens.

but feck me, this was obvious. He's doing a blair circa 1998.

Fillyjonk · 24/01/2007 08:45

NOT the ecnomist, bloody hell

The ecologist

NotQuiteCockney · 24/01/2007 08:53

Isn't the editor of the ecologist the son of a mad anti-european weirdo?

Lots of green (or greenish) folk don't realise that cities are inherantly more ecological than countryside living. Unless you're really self-sufficient in the countryside, it's more green to live in the city and not have to drive everywhere etc etc.

SenoraPartridge · 24/01/2007 08:54

Pruni - don't you remember when the eu social chapter was first mooted? The major govt made a huge deal of rejecting it then.

I must say I'm dissapointed - I thought that since we've had paid holiday for all and (not particularly generous) working time limits for 10 years and the country hasn''t gone bust they'd have changed their minds.

But anyway - is it really news? Tory is as tory does surely? It's when he does un-tory things like expressing sympathy with teenagers in hoodies that it's news. But then after that stunt with the bike and the limo following with his suit, Cameron is the lowest there is for me.

Fillyjonk · 24/01/2007 08:59

yeah he is.

I mean, you would have to be completely self sufficient. Ie not driving your great 4x4 anywhere. No post. Etc

Tower blocks are by far the most ecologically friendly form of housing IMO.

Cos bascially, transport costs (of everything-people, food etc) are one of the big buggers for the environment

this would ideally be coupled with land given over to farming to reduce food miles.

NotQuiteCockney · 24/01/2007 09:04

Um, actually, terraces do better than tower blocks in a lot of ways. I think tower blocks maybe make sense in really cold environments, but terraces (or triplexes?) do as well on density, don't need lifts, and are better urban environments.

speedymama · 24/01/2007 09:05

Everything you ever wanted to know about Tory boy hug a hoodie pimp my bike Cameron.

the future is bright oh Lordy

sfxmum · 24/01/2007 09:06

a little bit on the social chapter

sfxmum · 24/01/2007 09:12

and the article

Pruni · 24/01/2007 09:26

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