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Will you weep at the loss of Tracy Emin's tent?

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Tinker · 26/05/2004 09:39

Well?

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Piffleoffagus · 26/05/2004 09:46

nope...
art is insured...I am very dismisive of some contemporary art, I amy be wrong but I would never weep over art, unless it was my childs finger painting lost forever!

Twinkie · 26/05/2004 09:51

I wouldn't weep over the loss of Tracey Emin ,let alone her bloody stupid tent!!

Tinker · 26/05/2004 10:05

Have to confess I found it quite snigger-worthy but then I'm prob a contemp art philistine. Might weep at a lost Vermeer or Botticelli though. Wept at lost Houllier the other day!

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Blu · 26/05/2004 10:22

YES! (well, 'weep' might be a bit strong) Whether you like it, don't like it or are baffled, it is work that has defined a movement in British art, even if only in reaction to it. Think of our affection now for the 'pop art' of the 60's...like the excitement of walking out on to a pier, it's always interesting to look at a time and place from somewhere different, and really hard to understand and define our identity when we're in the middle of it. I'll be sad in 25 years time, I'm sure!

eddm · 26/05/2004 10:23

no, the stuff Saatchi collects is ephemeral anyway.

Marina · 26/05/2004 10:25

Yes...can't help it, I have a soft spot for old Trace, and the needlework was of a high standard
Can't say I'm at all bothered about ANY of Jake and Dinos Chapman's oeuvres being incinerated though...

expatkat · 26/05/2004 10:58

I'm pretty gutted. Not just for the loss of the tent, but for the other stuff, too. Saatchi's a gifted collector, I think. Sad to say I never saw "Hell" though dh says it was v. impressive.

Natt · 26/05/2004 11:02

What I think is very sad is that Chris Ofili (who I think is great) has apparently lost a lot of work - very intricate paintings which could not recreate...

expatkat · 26/05/2004 11:05

Agree about Chris Ofili, Natt. I hadn't read that his work had been destroyed--how sad. He's an extremely good painter; and you're right, many of those works had lots of detail and must have taken some time. . .

spacemonkey · 26/05/2004 11:34

Yes. I like Tracey and her tent.

dinosaur · 26/05/2004 11:56

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Marina · 26/05/2004 12:13

The press coverage I glimpsed on the train this morning didn't even deign to mention Chris Ofili's work, that is a huge shame. I think the Chapman brothers asked with some justification whether an industrial site with gas cylinders in proximity was such a wise place to store unique material...

noddy5 · 26/05/2004 12:29

feel quite sad this stuff is a chronicle of our times whether you like it or not.

SoupDragon · 26/05/2004 12:35

I have no idea what you're talking about!

Marina · 26/05/2004 12:50

Soupy, a huge fire on an industrial estate in Leyton has burnt down a warehouse which was used by a company called Momart to store art collectors' purchases in a secure environment. Charles Saatchi is one of their biggest customers and a lot of his stuff has been destroyed. As well as the artists we are talking about, it is thought works by Damien Hirst and Rachel Whiteread have been lost.
Even the BBC doesn't mention Chris Offili in its coverage...curious for a Turner Prize-winner.

ks · 26/05/2004 12:50

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suedonim · 26/05/2004 13:04

It's a shame it was all just kept in a warehouse anyway. It was already kind of lost to public viewing before the fire.

spacemonkey · 26/05/2004 13:05

good point suedonim

Davros · 26/05/2004 17:11

NO! I thought Hell was dull and Tracey's tent.... don't remember any needlework. I used to like her, when she got drunk on telly, but having seen some documentary about her its clear that she's not an artist. Many people create work that is baffling, looks unskilled etc but they are also quite capable of producing conventional art, don't think she is. I thought Sensation was ugly and boring mostly. IMO most of the stuff isn't worth millions, it cost millions. I have an old schoolfriend who is a very avant garde artist (wasn't sure what was the art and what was the plumbing!) but she IS an artist, not someone who produces "art" as she can draw a simple likeness or create a funny character in her sleep.

Gumdrop · 26/05/2004 17:21

I am very much art philistine - but Tracy Emin/ Damien Hirst et al = emporers new clothes to my mind.

expatkat · 26/05/2004 18:08

KS, just to respond to your post, which seemed to be directed at my estimation of him as a collector . . .Does being an ex-advertising guru mean that you have bad taste in art? (Maybe I misunderstood your point.) I could be wrong, but I suspect Saatchi is sort of a visual personas people in advertising often are, or learn to beand, yes, he has a keen business sense and a big pocket, hence the wide-buying. . .I won't deny that he knows how to market the choices he makes, though, so I'm sure even his "mistakes" have become over-inflated in terms of their acknowledged cultural importance. And I agree it will be years before we know how lasting his stuff is (though not if it keeps getting burned up in flames!). But one thing no one can deny, I think, is that he's put contemporary British art on the map in a major way. There was a time when everything big in the art world happened in NYC. I think that's pretty amazing, even if everyone decides in 10 or 20 or 50 years that everything he ever collected WAS crap after all.

ks · 26/05/2004 18:42

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expatkat · 26/05/2004 18:59

Thanks, ks, I see exactly what you mean. I agree btw about the link between advertising & fashion.

I don't think any of you nay-sayers are phillistines! I can easily see how people would hate the Saatchi stuff.

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