Hunkermunker...I didn't really think about it neither, that much, although, when I only had es (there is a big agegap between es and ms) I never used P&C parking, as I rather parked right at the end where no one would park, as I found that easier....but, with 2 small children it DID matter, as ms would jsut run off and ys was so heavy to carry and I just found it difficult...because, theoretically you just can't win...like, when I could not get a near space, I would leave the Kids in the locked but not alarmed car, and get a trolley first...but apparently I was a irresponsible parent for leaving my Kinds alone in the car for that 1 minute, anything could have happened (and being in NI, a soldiers wife, that was probably true, lol)....but, if I could get a near space that I could open the doors properly, it was easy enough to get ys out, and then ms out, and being able to straight away lock the car....I know it sounds pathetic...but, wiht 2 or more lil ones at the same time things CAN get a bit complicated, and again, I like to stress, that I am happy enough for someone who needs it more then me, to use them...now I don't mind all that mcuh anyway, yes, if I can get one it's great (ms4 and ys 2 ) but if I can't it's no prob, as both of them are in reasonable controll now!