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quick gramar question

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marialuisa · 23/04/2004 22:17

Can any of you resolve a debate please?

Should it be:

a) How self-esteem influences personal attractiveness and judgements on others' attractiveness

b) How self-esteem----on others attractiveness

C) something completely different

The version the student has used is defo wrong but we can't agree what would be correct.

Thanks!

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Janh · 23/04/2004 22:19

You could stick in "an individual's" in one or two places in a).

Or could say "the attractiveness of others".

It is a horrible sentence though!

Janh · 23/04/2004 22:20

"The effects of self-esteem on attractiveness in oneself and others"???

Janh · 23/04/2004 22:21

"...on the perception of attractiveness..."

???

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:24

Self-esteems influences both personal attractiveness and one's judgements of others' attracteveness

still a little clumsy though....will work om it...it is late

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:24

ignore s on self esteemS

gothicmama · 23/04/2004 22:24

How self esteem influences an individuals personal attrativenss and their attractiveness in others

It really depends on the context of the work I also like Janh at 10:20's version

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marialuisa · 23/04/2004 22:25

Agree is a horrible sentence but it's a final project so we can't change the title. We're just in debate about whether or not "others2 should have an apostrophe.

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popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:26

others should have an apostrophe AfTER the s since it is the attractiveness of others

oh i love apostrophes!!!

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:27

the attractiveness beloning to others (plural)

gothicmama · 23/04/2004 22:27

could be How self esteem influences an individuals personal attrativenss and their perception of attractiveness in others or

How self esteem influences an individuals sense of personal attrativenss and their attractiveness to others .

Iam rambling now

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:27

and i still cant type

Janh · 23/04/2004 22:27

Yes, apostrophe defo required = "the attractiveness of others" therefore "others'".

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marialuisa · 23/04/2004 22:27

BTW, it's an undergrad's project, not our project. I'm just doing some second-marking for DH.

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marialuisa · 23/04/2004 22:28

Thanks, you're backing my opinion so far!

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Janh · 23/04/2004 22:29

Didya spot that little apostrophe lurking there, ml???

gothicmama · 23/04/2004 22:30

yes should be an apostrophy - iam going back to my essay hope I get everything right

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:32

the positioning of the apostrophe is very important though......

oh i do love a good apostrophe thread!

donnie · 23/04/2004 22:35

hate to be a pedant marialuisa but there is no 'e 'in 'judgment'. Sorry!

Janh · 23/04/2004 22:48

donnie, I believe either is acceptable in British English (saw it in a test once).

Ready to be corrected though!

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:49

ermmmm.....
i think judgement DOES have an e in it...

when you add a suffix to a word, you keep the e if the suffix begins with a consonant and drop the e when it begins with a vowel.....

sorry to be all teachery....
the american spelling may be different however!

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:51

of course there are always exceptions........

just did a few spell checks as i am doubting by spelling knowledge now....word speel check accepts both as correct, yahoo mail only accepts judgement as correct....

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:51

i sound like a right bossy cow - sorry

popsycal · 23/04/2004 22:54

an american website accepts noth as correct

i ought to go to bed....nothing better to do!!

Janh · 23/04/2004 23:00

pops, this is from Cambridge Dictionaries online (which has a separate link for American English):

judgment, judgement noun
an official legal decision:
It is the judgment of this court that you are guilty of murder.
We are still waiting for the court to pass/pronounce judgment (= give a decision) on the case.

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

Couldn't find a specific English one online though.

popsycal · 23/04/2004 23:04

yeah - they are both the same aren't they.......lol!!!

my spelling rule is there to be broken though
thanks for cambrudge link jan - coldn't find a britsh one to check....