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Unfair Treatment of Parent and toodler in Pub

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nomik · 10/02/2015 14:13

I'm looking for a bit of advice after what I feel was unfair treatment (possibly discrimination) to people with young children in a pub. A friend and I visited the White Hart pub in Richmond two Saturdays ago with my 20 month old boy. We carried the buggy up about 7 steps into the pub which is fine, however when we got into the pub a member of staff told us that the family area of this pub was up another 7 step! We were like...ok, but then the member of staff told us that no buggies are allowed in this area due to lack of space! (I have been in this part before, its a large room, much larger than many of the cafes I've taken the buggy into). So then I said, ok, are highchairs upstairs? To which the staff member replied, No we don't have highchairs, they take up too much room. To this response I was very shocked, how can we eat in here? We asked the staff member this, and his reply was very nonchalant, no alternative offered, basically he didn't care. Being shocked with this attitude we decided to leave, We spoke to the assistant manager before we left, who carried on the un-supportive attitude saying that it's a listed pub and there is no space, but when we asked what families should do with young children, he said that they should bring booster seats with them! I have since emailed the manager and the brewery, Youngs, to which the operations manager got back to me with a very unacceptable response, not answering any of my questions, saying they are not discriminating and that I could go to another Youngs pub which has more room. I emailed again asking her to answer my questions, to which she responded some days later with a very vague, not really answering anything I asked, nor even caring how they made me feel, nothing. I just want to know if anyone else has experience anything like this, as in all the 20 months I have been going to cafes, restaurants and pubs with my baby and his buggy, I have never had treatment like this before. If the pub was so small I would understand, but it really isn't, there is lots of room. I am so shocked they can't even accommodate highchairs and I feel other mums should now about this seeing that the White Hart is right on the river in Richmond and a popular location. I just feel that I have been discriminated against. I could have my son on my lap, but at 20 months, he doesn't sit still for a second! Plus, having a family room upstairs, I feel this is a bit dangerous too.

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flowerygirl · 10/02/2015 15:06

It's unfortunate for you as you feel you were mislead by them saying they had a family room. In my experience, if they don't have highchairs, small ones definitely aren't welcome. I always ring ahead to check.

A pub I used to work in I had to ask people with children to leave, as instructed by the manager. It's a shame but I think pubs really aren't child friendly unless they have an outdoor play area, that's always your best bet.

Lj8893 · 10/02/2015 15:07

Haha yes shirley perhaps this is a reverse thread in the hope of advertisment!

OTheHugeManatee · 10/02/2015 15:12

A nice pub by the Thames which doesn't have hosts of badly controlled toddlers throwing tantrums and organic humous around while their parents leave their oversized buggies in the path of other diners and drinkers sounds excellent.

Grin
lottiesatitagain · 10/02/2015 15:13

Most restaurants in Spain and France that I have been to don't have highchairs but they are child friendly. The locals eat with their kids on their lap. At that age I put my dc on the chair nearest the wall and sit close to them.

ShirleyYoureNotSerious · 10/02/2015 15:13

Well it's worked for me Lj!

Celticlass2 · 10/02/2015 15:15

This pub will be on my list if I'm in the area! Thanks OP. I love good pub that discourages young childrenSmile Wish there was more of them.

arlagirl · 10/02/2015 15:29

I'll see you all in there. Grin

TheFairyCaravan · 10/02/2015 15:31

It's not discrimintation for heaven's sake.

You don't have to be able to take your baby everywhere, there are plenty of places that you can. Let it go and move on.

I'm glad that there are places like this pub who make it difficult for people with babies, some of us have been there, done that and want to be able to enjoy a peaceful drink or meal. It's just a shame I live so bloody far away.

Viviennemary · 10/02/2015 15:32

Some pubs do choose to be family friendly. But others don't. They have no obligation to supply high chairs or even to allow buggies in. I'd just find another pub. It isn't discrimination. A lot of people don't like to see pubs over-run by babies and toddlers.

Pagwatch · 10/02/2015 15:34

God yes, I'm going to Richmond a few times in the next month - I will definitely be visiting. It sounds marvellous!

We should do a meet up - def.

Thanks nomilk [mwah]

Frusso · 10/02/2015 15:39

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MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 10/02/2015 15:40

I've eaten in places without high chairs with DC that age - they sit on chairs fine... A family room without high chairs works for all families with children age 2-16 I guess.

It's probably better when pubs and restaurants just clearly state "no children" or "children welcome" I guess, but if you have well behaved 8 and 10 year olds, say, it would be a shame to be banned from a pub due to it not wanting to accommodate high chairs and buggies!

As pubs/ restaurants/ hotels are allowed to officially state "No children" and have signs up to that effect, you don't have a leg to stand on claiming discrimination because there were no high chairs and buggies had to be left outside!

ShirleyYoureNotSerious · 10/02/2015 15:41

Mine's a Peroni please Pagwatch.

TheFairyCaravan · 10/02/2015 15:45

I'm actually gutted I live so far away after looking at their website. It's a dog friendly, rugby loving, children discouraging pub. Shame there's not more of them about.

Pagwatch · 10/02/2015 15:46

Sure thing.

I'll be in the corner contemplating my gin.

ExitPursuedByABear · 10/02/2015 15:46

Sounds great. BastardDog would love it.

Pagwatch · 10/02/2015 15:47

God , dog friendly too! Awesome.

CuddlesfromChickens · 10/02/2015 15:51

We have twins. When our two were little it was extremely rare to find a restaurant that was happy/able to accommodate our double buggie (even folded). Lots of restaurants and cafés only have one high chair, which obviously wasn't enough for us. We always had folding, blow up booster seats with us.

We didn't consider ourselves discriminated against for having twins! Grin

We just learned to quickly suss out which places never pubs were suitable for us and which weren't.

Your family just aren't their target demographic. They don't want your business. Come back in 3 years.

ExitPursuedByABear · 10/02/2015 15:51

Bring PenisDog

RiverTam · 10/02/2015 15:52

get a travel booster, we had one for DD and very handy it was too.

Richmond is hardly lacking in family-friendly places. At the end of the day it's a pub.

DialsMavis · 10/02/2015 15:54

I've taken my children there, the little one just sat on my lap.
Another time we went but didn't stay long as DD was being a bit of a dick and I didn't think it fair to subject all the gorgeous young things sat on the terrace to her sqwarky whining.

It's a pub they are not designed for children. If you want to go somewhere not designed for children you either put up with inconvenience and hope your DC behave because you like the place or go somewhere more geared up for children & put up with all the other children that don't belong to you

Fretfulparent · 10/02/2015 15:55

Are they able to accommodate wheelchair users?

PenguinsandtheTantrumofDoom · 10/02/2015 15:58

Manatee - Ah, Christopher's. Must be nearly 15 years since I last went there

Pagwatch · 10/02/2015 15:59

PenisDog loves the pub

Unfair Treatment of Parent and toodler in Pub
bletheringboys · 10/02/2015 16:04

As a licensed premises the very basic basic basic thing they HAVE to provide, if they have a licence to cater for children at all (which they are not obligated to) is a baby change unit in a toilet. That's it.

If they are reaching out to those with young families, then yes, booster high chairs, children's cutlery, special children's menus, fab.

Otherwise, take the hint!

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