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Moving to Indonesia

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SueDonim · 11/04/2002 00:29

We're moving to Indonesia at the end of next month. Does anyone have any tips about what to take with us, schools, entertainment, clothing (esp for children), inoculations, food, coping with the heat; in fact, anything at all?

Thnx!

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ScummyMummy · 11/04/2002 08:32

Your computer - We'd all miss you loads, otherwise.
Sounds v exciting! My wee sister has just come back from a round the world (ish) trip so I'll ask her if she has any ideas.

Enid · 11/04/2002 08:55

Sorry, no tips really, apart from alcohol - its expensive and not very nice out there! But would be interested to know whereabouts in Indonesia?

Thewiseone · 11/04/2002 12:19

I agree with the PV, you want an internet connection !!!
If you go to a large town like Jakarta or Yogjakarta... you won't miss many things... if you go in Borneo that's another matter.
I'd get some mosquito repellent but I am sure you can find some there and a good basic set of medicines just to tidy you over while you get settled.

SueDonim · 11/04/2002 13:02

Aw, thanks, Scummymummy, re the computer! DH thought it would be a bit of a luxury but now he has been out there on his own since Feb without one it's suddenly become a necessity, tee hee. He's buying one this weekend, and the place we'll be living has broadband connection, so I'll be able to stay in touch with all my Mumsnet pals.

Enid, we'll be living to the south of Jakarta. DH has already made the appalling discovery about the lack of good alcohol, although I think the beer is okay. There are five M&S stores but v expensive compared to the UK. He also hasn't been able to find Golden Syrup, proper Marmite or salad cream. What will I have on my tomato sandwiches - mayonnaise just doesn't do the job!?!

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Twink · 11/04/2002 13:30

I've emailed my brother for advice for you as he lives in the far east and travels around Indonesia a lot but it maybe a few days before I get a response.
I do know that there are a number of mail order companies who exist for people who can't live without Marmite/Kellogs cornflakes/HP sauce etc. One is Brits Abroad but Google can probably find others for you. One thing I always have to take for him is slimline tonic as he's diabetic and can't get sugar-free drinks except diet Coke.

Enid · 11/04/2002 14:09

I took Marmite, decent vodka and disposable razors (not ones with a 'lubra-strip' - they melt apparently!) out to a friend who lived in Jakarta for a few years. It was absolutely beautiful there and I remember waking to the sound of the muezzin (muslim call to prayer) and thinking how lovely it was. People very friendly and loads of amazing places to visit in Java and of course you can always hop over to Bali...

pena · 11/04/2002 14:26

SueDonim,
You may want to post question on www.expatsingapore.com. Altho' its a singapore site, a lot of the expats on the site would have prob'ly some experience & advice to share since quite a few probly also did time there.

  1. Clothing - very hot, u will be on equator, so leave all woolies behind. I'd also leave behind heaters, heavy duvets
  2. Inoculations - check out what the American CDC site Centre for Disease Control says is the recommended - but the standard ones every kid in Asia takes are; hep A & B, tetanus, typhoid, TB
  3. Food - Indonesian food I find very bland & boring. Assume u'll be in Jakarta which is muslim, so no pork. U will need to make it a habit to drink only boiled or bottled water, wash veg & fruit carefully, peel skins off, get kids in habit of washing hands all time.
  4. Coping with heat, I don't think this is a problem, its more like how to cope with being blasted with air-conditioning all the time.
  5. Schools - make sure your husband's company is picking up the bill for private/international schooling as otherwise it'll cost u a bomb.
  6. Other - Make sure u hook up with either American or British or Australian ladies associations there - there's bound to be some - not to be isolationist or anything, but a lot of them often provide resources & counselling & referrals to help newcomers settle. Other than that - its a huge move no doubt but think how great it will be to travel around the Region.
pena · 11/04/2002 14:29

Oh and do take along a batch of your standby homeopathic remedies (western ones hard to come by, even in SIngapore), Children's medicine like Calpol is common but I'd get the kid's doctor to just set you up to get u thru' the first couple of months. While the great thing about tropics is u won't have to deal with winter colds, I have noticed that a lot of newcomers fall ill in first 6 - 12 months i.e. thrush, ear infection, sinus infection, - myself, I went thru' really bad cold in first 3 months then dengue fever (from mosquito, no cure, very high temperature, just miserable). After that I think the body does build a natural resistance. So give it time.

Twink · 12/04/2002 08:25

My brother's come back with this site reference from an Aussie expat friend in Indonesia expat.or.id
Good luck

susanmt · 12/04/2002 09:04

No ideas, just jealousy you LUCKY thing!!!!

SueDonim · 12/04/2002 12:25

Thanks for all the help, everyone. I've already discovered the expat site and the extra info here is great! I'm feeling excited and nervous at the same time but at least I'll be able to check into Mumsnet and see some familiar names.

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Iggy · 29/05/2003 15:19

Hi... We are moving to Jakarta in Early July. Please can you guys who have just moved there ( or those of you who have been there for a while give me a few tips? We are a Brit/Irish couple with 2 boys aged 2.5 and 4 yrs old. My husband's employer will pay for JIS.
What should I be aware of ? What do I need to bring? Our kids have a mould/mold allergy. Will we need an air purifier with HEPA for Jkta's air pollution? Any advice about anything will be very welcome.
Thanks

suedonim · 29/05/2003 15:45

Hi, Iggy. Someone else is moving out here soon and you'll find info and contacts on this thread. Indonesia . I doubt an air filter would be much use against the pollution here, tbh, but you can buy things like that if you want one. The further away from the city centre you live, the better the air. My dd goes to BIS, which is on the fringe of the city and thus much less polluted than the area round JIS. HTH and good luck.

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Iggy · 30/05/2003 04:36

Hi Suedonim
Thanks for the info. Maybe I can buy you lunch in Jakarta sometime after we move to show my appreciation! I am new to mumsnet and its lovely to see such friendly and helpful people in a similar situation to us. I have read up a few more of your messages re Indonesia and am getting a good idea of what to expect. Also, its surprising to see so many people asking for advice about moving to Jakarta, and so much advice available.
You make an interesting point re BIS. We did not even consider BIS as we were told the traffic is horrendous and its much better to live near schools, malls and the hubby's office ( Kemang ), and so we just assumed JIS was the best option available. How long does it take for your kids to travel to BIS? Is it safe in the car / school bus? WHat about accidents, riots etc ? I think you mentioned in a prev message to someone that you were in South Jakarta. Kemang ? Pondok Indah ? So BIS must be pretty far? Are the kids safe? Are there many car crashes ? I imagine the traffic moves too slowly for high speed crashes?
We will be in a house in a gated community ( dont know which one as yet ) as the company rents a few of the villas/townhouses on a long term lease for its expats.
The previous occupier had kids who went to AIS so I assume it is near Pondok Indah. ( amazing how much one can pick up by looking at a city map!!) I guess we are getting near decision time re schools as the company wants us to fax the boys details to HR in Jakarta so they can submit their names to the chosen preschool.
Sorry to ask so many questions, you must think I am a real greenie.

steppemum · 30/05/2003 05:08

Iggy, there's a great book called "culture shock, Indonesia" that tells you all sorts of useful and funny things about life in Indonesia. You can probably get it in a travel bookshop, or order it in. It's well worth it.

suedonim · 30/05/2003 09:16

Thanks for the lunch offer, Iggy - sadly, I think we're likely to be moving back to the UK in July as dh's work is finishing ahead of schedule. What line of work is your DH in? All the Irish people I know seem to work for Ericcson, the phone people, though I'm sure that's just a coincident!

Re schools, if you're living in Kemang then it is quite a long haul to BIS, probably 3/4 or an hour but lots of people do it and from much further away. Transport is proved (for a price!) but some people prefer not to use it because of the possiblity of buses, as well as schools, being a terrorist target. My dh's company wouldn't pay for transport so I take dd by car every day. I wouldn't be too worried about getting places at pre-school. Expats come and go so much that there are always vacancies coming up. Jis is about 30 mins away from Kemang. AIS isn't well regarded and there have been rumours that it is to shut down. If you look on the expat website, it has lots of info on the various schools. There's a new book just out that you'll want to buy, called "Jakarta for Under Fives.' It is a great publication and useful for all expats, not just those with children, as it is stuffed with info.

You will need to get used to spending a lot of time in the car, wherever you live. No one walks anywhere much, as it's too hot and also Jakarta is a very spread out city without a specific centre. Kemang is the expat ghetto so it is more Westernised than the rest of the city, with prices to match. Weekend/holiday traffic in Kemang is terrible, we've given up going there on those days. It can take up to 1.5hrs to go a mile! There are very few major accidents in town as you mostly move along at 3mph!! The toll/ring roads are a different story. Make sure your car has rear seatbelts. They are not standard issue but we had them fitted throughout. The car of choice is a Toyota Kijang, a sort of 7/8 seater offroader type vehicle, built to withstand the rigours of the road surfaces. There haven't been any riots since we came here. Indonesians are very fond of demo's but they are tightly organised by the Polisi and take place near the govt biuldings and CBD, and you shouldn't be affected except for the traffic chaos that ensues citywide.

I'd really recommend joining The British Women's and the Australian and New Zealand associations (BWA and ANZA) as they open up a whole new side of life out here. As well as providing support to expats they give you a chance to put something back into Indonesian society, through their various charity works. It'a also a small world out here - I recently met someone who knows our plumber back in the UK!!! The Indonesian Heritage Society is great for getting to know about Indonesia and they have a lovely library with books on the subject. Which reminds me, books are readily available here but there's less of a choice and they are expensive. Bring as many books for your children as you can, including ones currently too old for them, unless you will be able to stock up from home regularly.

Finally, you don't want to employ a fanastic cook/housekeeper, do you?? She's wonderful, a real gem.

Anyway, must go now and brave the roads!! HTH

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Iggy · 31/05/2003 03:00

Hi Suedonim
Quick message cos hubby is home today and we are going out for a picnic ... very interested in the house keeper/cook. Also looking for a live in maid who speaks English ( or atleast understands it ! )if anyone else can help.
We are spending some time in Singapore and Batam ( Riau , Indonesia) at the mo, getting organised for the move. ( Hubby is working out of Sg and Btm at the mo. ) If you dont mind, pls email me on [email protected] (!!) with your contact details, maybe I could phone you re; maid etc? I am a bit wary of posting my contact number here!
Thanks again.... some Aussie friends here are plugging AIS but now you have forewarned me.....Looks like it will all come down to where we live. Then its a choice between BIS and JIS. Thanks for the info re books. I will stock up!
Hopefully speak to you soon

Iggy · 31/05/2003 03:07

Thanks Steppemum, I have put it on my list of "first things to do" when we land in Jakarta. I might try to find it first in Times Bookstore in Singapore. When we arrive in Jkta we will be staying at the hotel Krystal (?). A friend of mine says there are many expats staying there so its likely they may sell the book as well?

suedonim · 31/05/2003 06:50

Okay, I'll be in touch, Iggy. I have to say, I haven't seen the book Steppemum mentions, so if you see it elswehere, perhaps you should snaffle it up? It could just be me not noticing it of course, lol!

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steppemum · 31/05/2003 11:14

sorry, Iggy, I wasn't very clear, you need to buy it in the UK, I've never seen it for sale in Indonesia. It is particularly relevant to Java, but if you live totally in the expat circle, then you might not find it so helpful. Still, I always find it interesting to find out why people do the things they do.

sjs · 01/06/2003 14:43

Iggy - they sell it in Borders and that really good Japanese bookstore in Takashimaya in Singapore. I've read the Culture Shock books for Singapore and HK (when we moved there) and they give good info to get you prepared. It's usually more general cultural info (races, religions, customs, etc) rather than specific local "where to find a good doctor" kind of info. The expat organisations are probably your best bet for that.
Good luck with your move.

suedonim · 01/06/2003 16:40

Did you get my email, Iggy? Maybe you've just had a more exciting weekend than me and haven't been logging all day!!

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Iggy · 04/06/2003 01:26

Hi SueDonim
I have sent you a reply on Monday with a phone number and my details. Did you get it ? Now I am the one waiting for your comm. Maybe your week is much more exciting than mine! TTFN

Thanks sjs
Just the excuse I need for a day trip to Singapore! :-)) ( we are spending a few days in Batam at the mo! ) I will have a look in Borders. Someone told me Borders have a wonderful cafe too?

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