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please help - desperate!! can't sleep at night for worrying

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nuggetbump · 13/10/2006 00:46

Please, any advice greatfully recieved. New to Mumsnnet so not up to date on etiquette so please bear with me. My brother died earlier this year in a road accident and since then his once not all together perfect wife has bit by bit shut off all contact with us (his family). She (no doubt through loneliness to begin with) has got involved with her ex who has recently been in prison on drug and gbh offences. And since then has cut us off one by one. The ex is now living with her and her 2 sons (my brothers) and daughter(ex's biological,though since the day she was born has only ever known my brother as her dad)and i am so scared for there physical and mental well being i don't know what to do. It would take too long to list my reasons why but they are completely genuine and i just can't sleep at night worrying what those poor boys and girl might be living through. The problem i have is knowing where as an aunty, or grandparents we can go as loving, living family members to ensure the safety and well being of our loved ones. There was talk of a family conference arranged by social services which was cancelled by the mother, my mother and father (divorced) have contacted social services yet get no feed back, and the police have been involved because of death threats and other very abusive phone and text msgs left by wife and ex. Yet nothing seems to get done, and all i am bothered about is HOW FAR DO THINGS HAVE TO GO WITH CHILDREN THIS AGE BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE????? i'm scared the answer is too far, how do they feel late at night, scared?, frightened?, unloved?. And are they being abused? There is undoubted use off drugs going on in that house, bedtimes and mealtimes get forgotten, dirty nappies go unchanged and the every day whimpers of a 1 and 3 year, let alone 6 year old get ignored lord knows tolerated? I've seen this this for myself, before i was cut out - i made sure meals were made and nappies were changed, this woman doesn't have a maternal bone in her body.( It's not grief - my brother did everything while he was alive - though we never realised why until now) Social services are "checking up" on them but they BOOK an appointment to see them. SUPRISE! STATIONS READY! You don't have to be an idiot to work that one out! As not only aunty to them 6,3 and 1, i am also mother to a 12 month old which makes it so much harder to switch off from the fear of what they might be suffering. I am well aware that grandparents don't have many rights these days without consent but what do you do in a case like this and at what point and for what reasons could we take this to court? Trust me Mumsnetters she's not fit - i wish you could see!

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fortyplus · 13/10/2006 01:43

I can't say don't worry but I do work for my local council so what I will say is that there are probably things going on that you don't know about ie Social Services and other agencies cannot tell you ANYTHING to protect client confidentiality. I'm off to bed now but try to keep calm - if there is a real risk to the children social services will jump in. At least they're aware of your concerns. You have to bear in mind that they have to remain completely impartial - people make spurious allegations about this kind of thing so they will not share information with you at this stage.

LadyDooM · 13/10/2006 10:18

Personally, I would say if you are that worried you should keep pushing social services. Or maybe you could try caling her up and asking to see the children? Maybe try to work out a visitation plan with her, if she is as you say she might be ready and willing to let the kids go for the weekends or what have you. You could hire a solicitor to work it out for you even. And I know all to well the shortcomings of the social services(not in UK but the US) as I got them involved with my ex-husband. Guess what, they would drop in on me unannounced. But gave my ex a week notice they were coming.(enuff time for him to clean up and hide all the things I had complained about) In the end I hired a lawyer and took him to court where he showed his true colors so its all worked out now

nuggetbump · 14/10/2006 23:14

Thanks for messsages, i appreciate fact that things may well be going on with ss that we're not aware of, however my concern is how long will it take, and if i/we assume something is being done, again how long should we leave it before knowing for sure? I know the authorities have a job to do, but when it's your own flesh and blood it is very hard to put your emotions and concerns on the back boiler. Also, again thanks LadyDoom, but we are way beyond communication let alone visiting rights. That is the main problem. She has cut off all family members, including her own parents, so it is impossible to have even verbal contact/reassurance about kids let alone see them. I seriously believe she has psychological issues that need sorting, she is a compulsive liar and doesn't seem to care about anyone but her self inc. her children.

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nuggetbump · 15/10/2006 02:23

P.s please somebody tell me how to attract more attention to my message. wasn't sure how to title it or what category it should fall in. Is MN a very clique website?? I have read many threads and see the same names time and again, yet on a serious subject like this not a lot??!!!! Do i have to talk about what is on T.V tonight or what my baby's stools look like in order to get a response? Don't mean to sound rude but i put this message in hoping for advice, would love nothing more than to discuss matters like the fact my little one has decided to sleep for no more than 6 hrs a night (no daytime naps - 12 mths!!)all of a sudden, but this seems insignificant to me at mo compared to other issues. Please help or at least put me out of my misery and tell me not to waste my time here. Sorry if sounds harsh just very anxious and upset they are only babies and i feel useless.

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welliemum · 15/10/2006 02:32

nuggetbump, my suggestion is that you keep bumping your message during evening times. I think there's such a huge volume of posts that threads get lost very easily. Don't take it personally, mumsnet is a huge site.

How awful for you, to lose your brother and then have all this worry.

I haven't any advice really, except to keep bugging social services, but I'm sure someone will be along who has more specific knowledge.

WriggleyWitchesJiggle · 15/10/2006 02:35

Have followed this story but never experienced anything like this myself, so have no advice I'm afraid.

Welcome to Mn by the way. Might be worth trying to summerise your situation into a few small paragraphs. I think people can struggle to read such large 'blocks' of text from their screens. Well I do .

Try posting in the 'relationships' thread or 'legal' thread. If you can get your thread title to indicate what it is about that might help as well.

HumphreyComfreyCushion · 15/10/2006 02:42

nuggetbump, this must be such a difficult and worrying position for you to be in, as well as trying to deal with the sad loss of your brother.

I'm afraid I have no advice to offer, except to keep adding to your thread (bumping) during times when more people are online.

Please be assured that no-one is ignoring you - you just need to get your thread into 'active conversations' when there are lots of people around.

Take care.

WriggleyWitchesJiggle · 15/10/2006 02:51

Shorter is often better in my opinion. You can always pad out the facts later as people respond. This would be more direct.

Please help. My brother died and his wife has shut off all contact his family. She is now living with her ex. Ex has recently been in prison on drug and gbh offences.

I am so scared for their physical and mental well being but i don't know what to do. I can't sleep at night worrying what those poor children might be living through. How far can an aunty or grandparents go to ensure the safety and well being of the children?

A family conference arranged by social services was cancelled by the mother. My parents have contacted social services but as yet no feed back. The police have been involved because of death threats and abusive phone and text msgs left by wife and ex. Nothing has been resolved. There is undoubted use off drugs, and a lack of parenting skills. Social services are "checking up" on them but they BOOK an appointment to see them.

I am well aware that grandparents don't have many rights these days without consent but what do you do in a case like this and at what point and for what reasons could we take this to court?

NotQuiteCockney · 15/10/2006 06:44

I agree with other people's points. Also, it's worth noting: most parents have experience of baby's stools and tonight's telly. Most parents (including me) don't know how to fix this sort of problem.

I suspect Social Services is your only option, but they can be slow to act, from what (very) little I know.

HumphreyComfreyCushion · 15/10/2006 11:20

bump

edam · 15/10/2006 11:40

Sorry but I don't have any advice either because I have no experienced of this sort of problem. If social services are already involved I don't know what you can do, apart from give them the information you've got (which I imagine you've done). Maybe call the NSPCC and see if they have any information/advice they can give you?

lulumama · 15/10/2006 11:40

contact social services

speak to their doc or HV to raise concerns

go to CAB - they often have free legal clinics too which could put you in touch with a family lawyer....

if you suspect drugs - call the police

BTW - large blocks of text very off putting-- i actually read the summary someone else posted as could not plow through the original post!

hope you get somewhere - keep bumping the thread too....

HumphreyComfreyCushion · 15/10/2006 13:38

bump again

Rosyspookily · 15/10/2006 14:00

What an awful situation!

I would be devastated in your shoes. I really hope you get somewhere with suggestions given.

All I can think of is if you keep attempting to contact the mum and eventually she might give in. send letters, pressies, foodstuffs?

HumphreyComfreyCushion · 15/10/2006 22:07

and one more bump for the evening!

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