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Why is "being a bit thick" seen as somehow "cool"?

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hunkermunker · 01/10/2006 22:18

Why isn't knowing stuff cool when you're young? Does it get more "cool" as you get older?

(I'm aware that cool is slightly cringy, btw - but can't be arsed to think of a better way to put it...)

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ScareyCaligulaCorday · 01/10/2006 22:23

No I think thick people are always thick.

I also think our culture has an anti-intellectual slant which glorifies idiocy and is very suspicious of anything smacking of cleverness.

hunkermunker · 01/10/2006 22:26

Shame, isn't it? Form of bullying, I suppose. Certainly is at school - I guess it just carries on into adulthood. I suppose if you're lucky enough not to have too many thickies in your peer group, you'll do OK.

I just loathe the "ooh, get you!" stuff from people if you know something.

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Twiglett · 01/10/2006 22:27

not on mumsnet though is it?

I find that groups of women are the places where being 'fick' ain't 'cool'

Pruni · 01/10/2006 22:27

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OttercumCoypu · 01/10/2006 22:41

2/3 of us are educated to degree level and over dontcha know

Know what you mean hunker!

hunkermunker · 01/10/2006 22:44

Ooh, have the survey results been published?

I have to confess to doing a comedy "dumb" sometimes on here, but fgs, I would hope that you all know by now I'm a fkin genius so I'm clearly being ironic as all heck if I do ditzy sometimes.

Some of my very favourite bright people on this thread already btw

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RTKangaMummy · 01/10/2006 22:50

But imho the same thing happens on here on the G&T topic

If we post about G&T DD/DS then we get all kinds of comments

Hence why we asked for it to be separated from the education topic as we were always been told off on there

hunkermunker · 01/10/2006 22:52

You're right, RTKM. And that's worse because it's women having a go at intelligent children.

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soapbox · 01/10/2006 22:57

Of course, those planet sized brains should attempt some proper punctuation and grammar from time to time

hunkermunker · 01/10/2006 22:58

S'OK, Soapy, I am bright enough to decode what you meant (and also intelligent enough to know you're blardy genius-like too ).

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soapbox · 01/10/2006 22:58

shneebly - I was very into brass bands

Quadrofiegnia · 01/10/2006 22:59

intel;ligence in my world doesn't make you cool or uncool, being a decnt person able to empathise and give a shit about others makes you cool, would like to think these are the values i am instilling in my children, wouldn't even cross my mind that intelligence had anything to do with it

ScareyCaligulaCorday · 01/10/2006 22:59

Soapy yes, your school was wierd.

soapbox · 01/10/2006 23:04

It was weird Calligua - very perceptive

It was pretty much a sink comprehensive in a very poor west of scotland town. However, being Scottish, everything was streamed. All classes were all selected on ability. So I suppose all the academically able children mixed pretty much in their own groups.

It was the same children that excelled academically, that were also in the sports teams, the orchestras, the school shows etc etc etc.

Maybe we were just easier - less hard work - so they picked us because we were likely to behave when representing the school!

It was, looking back, very strange indeed

oops · 01/10/2006 23:07

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swedishmum · 02/10/2006 01:38

After many years of education have decided (sent in last piece of coursework for yet another teaching qualification on Sat) to be a bimbo airhead. It seems to get you further and make you happier. Much less stress and worry. In fact may even copy my sil who said to her dd in gcse year, Don't worry, you can't be pretty and clever. Thinking it would be a positive role model for my 3 dds....... Or how about, oh , you're thick AND ugly.

ScareyCaligulaCorday · 02/10/2006 09:24

God your SIL sounds thick SM.

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CreepyCrawlyCarmenere · 02/10/2006 09:29

My peer group were ridiculous over achievers and actually I always felt a bit dim because I diddn't go to university. But it turns out that I was a late developer(as my parents always maintained I would be) and have achieved plenty as an adult.
I deplore the society that encourages young girls to get their tits out instead of reading a book as a career path
However I think you have to be either very young or thick yourself to think that dumb is cool.

UnquietDad · 02/10/2006 09:34

DW ran a stall at her school Open Evening earlier this week and, as part of the entertainment, offered a France/Spain quiz for prospective parents and kids to do together. Now, if I'd been doing this, I imagine I'd have started with something like "Who's the prospective female socialist Presidential candidate?", or maybe "Name a French film actor", if I was feeling kind. DW, though, knows her target market and took a few steps back from this: the questions were on a very primitive level. It was depressing how few had any clue about "What's the capital of Spain?", despite the hefty hints she gave, i.e. "it's on the page somewhere" (there was a question further down, "Name a Real Madrid player" - this caused one woman to say: "uuugh, ah ditten fink that were a real plaaayce, like, ah thought it were just t'name of t'footbaaaaal team")... "Name a Spanish-speaking country apart from Spain" had people saying "ooh, ah dunno, I were never any good at geography, me", and produced answers as wide-ranging as Brazil (close, but no cigar), Portugal (??), Tenerife (she let them have that as they were at least trying) and Barcelona.

When DW gave one couple heavy hints to steer them in the direction of Mexico, the woman came out with the classic response, "ooooh, ay, I knew it were one o'them South African ones."

And this is in a well-regarded school in the top quarter of the league tables.

Watching "University Challenge" always makes me aware of the gaps in my knowledge, but I'm worried that the above experience is actually representative of the population as a whole.

For me, it's not so much the lack of knowledge as the lack of intellectual curiosity. If I don't know something I immediately want to know it, and will go and look it up - so easy these days with Google and Wikipedia, or even the old Encyclopaedia Britannica. It's the pride some people take in their stupidity which makes me angry.

hunkermunster · 02/10/2006 09:57

Oops, have you emailed me? I've not got it if you have!

Pruhoohooohoooooni · 02/10/2006 10:00

I always used to get "What's the point of brains if you don't have any common sense?" repeatedly said to me by the thick students.
I think knowledge of facts isn't highly regarded by some, even though it's a bit of a backbone for proper intelligence, to say the least.
OTOH if you know how to dust the top of your curtains you will clearly rule the world.

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