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Incapacity benefit fraud - is it really this common?

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CountessDracula · 29/09/2006 12:31

Following on from the DSS housing thread I really can't believe that people who are capable of work sit on their arses on incapacity benefit for years and years with no review or attempt to get them into work.

Is this true?

If so it is bloody outrageous

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Nemo1977 · 29/09/2006 13:55

I get IB and probably to everyone else seem quite normal and shouldnt be getting it. However I only got it because I suffer from Mental health probs[and yes I am under a psychatrist, cpn, psychologist and anyone else who decides to have a prod into my brain].I also feel horrendously guilty about being on it and wish I wasnt.I dont intend to be on it long [although it has been 2.5yrs already]

beckybrastraps · 29/09/2006 13:55

I can assure you that my father is NOT fit to have babies.

Nemo1977 · 29/09/2006 13:56

Yomama,,so I am fit to have babies but the fact I have MH problems means I should be at work??? IT is not always as black and white as it seems.

WigWamBam · 29/09/2006 14:03

Would you like to try living my day-to-day life for a while, yomama, before you tell me what I'm capable of doing?

I am on Incapacity Benefit (mine is about £90 a week, if you really want to know), and if you were to look at me you would think that I was capable of work - but not all health problems are obvious from the outside, and things aren't always as black and white as they seem.

I had worked as a secretary with the same company for more than 10 years, until the bad work practices of a new manager left me with RSI. I had been given no option but to sit at a small, cramped desk and type for several hours without a break - my manager would sit beside me and dictate straight onto the PC for three or four hours at a time, twice a day. I couldn't get past him because I was wedged into a corner, and he was reluctant even to let me stop to go to the toilet. Within three months of working for him I was having crippling pains in my hands, wrists, elbows and shoulders. I still get them, every day and all the time, over ten years later.

At first I was told that resting for two weeks would solve it. It didn't. Then they said rest for three months. That didn't help. Ten years later I still have very painful RSI, and I can't work.

Yes, I can type and use a computer - you can all see that - but only for 20 minutes or so at a time, not the constant use that my old job, or any kind of clerical job, would require - and yes, I can use a voice-recognition system to type for me, but that only takes away part of the problem. I can write - but only for 10 minutes, because the pain gets too bad. I can't do repetitive movements, because I end up in too much pain. I have good days and bad, and on a good day I could probably do some work - but on a bad day (and I have more bad days than good) I can't even brush my own hair, let alone anything else. If it rains I get wet, because I can't hold an umbrella. Some days I can't even carry a kettle of water from the sink to the work surface three feet away. I can't hold an iron or push a hoover for more than a couple of minutes at a time.

Of course I get bored. I hated being at home not working when I first had to stop, and I would still rather work than not. Having dd at least gave me a reason not to be unhappy being at home all the time. But who is going to employ someone like me - who wants to work, but who has a problem that many employers don't recognise actually exists, and which many others will run a mile from in case it got worse while I was employed by them, and I sued them.

My dh is on a good salary, and we could probably manage without my IB, although it would be hard. But the RSI wasn't something I chose to happen, it could have been preventable, and if the company hadn't used the working practices they did then I would still be able to work for my money in a way that doesn't mean people would consider me a scrounger. And I know they do, even when they know the full story; I have had emails from more than one MNer telling me so.

ledodgyrobespierre · 29/09/2006 14:05

WWB mners have emailed you to call you a scrounger? That's well out of order!

FioFio · 29/09/2006 14:05

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Nemo1977 · 29/09/2006 14:06

WWb it is horrendous that people have had the cheek to email you like that.

WigWamBam · 29/09/2006 14:07

I've posted about the RSI before, and have also left my email details for people on other threads - and a couple of times I've had emails calling me names. Anonymously, of course, so I don't even know who to stick my tongue out at!

CountessDracula · 29/09/2006 14:08

wwb that is unbelievable

None of you are scroungers!

Nutty's ex is though

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lockets · 29/09/2006 14:09

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CountessDracula · 29/09/2006 14:09

well name and shame them

put their email addresses on here, someone will know them.

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Nemo1977 · 29/09/2006 14:10

have never had rsi but have carpal tunnel on and off and that in itself is bad enough and usually only in one wrist cant imagine what yours must feel like WWB.

WigWamBam · 29/09/2006 14:10

The emails are long deleted, CD. One was from someone who called herself something like acidlemondrop but I can't remember the names of the other one.

charliecat · 29/09/2006 14:12

Nuttys x did his back in didnt he?

CountessDracula · 29/09/2006 14:13

yes but look at the thread I have linked to

He is not working cos he doesn't want to

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nutcracker · 29/09/2006 14:13

CD I would appreciate it if you didn't keep saying that. I know most mners who know me know that it him thats the lazy scrounger and not me but ones that don't know me on here and don't know all the details might read 'but nutty's ex is' and think it applies to me too.

CountessDracula · 29/09/2006 14:14

sorry nutty

IT IS NOT NUTTY!!!

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charliecat · 29/09/2006 14:14

oh yeah. Sorry hadnt read what hes said recently.

nutcracker · 29/09/2006 14:15

Thanks CD, just wanted to clear that up.

fairyjay · 29/09/2006 14:26

It's like so many of these things. Those who genuinely need and deserve help are treated poorly, because of those who misuse the system.

I actually think there are a lot of people who 'play the game'. I have a cousin who has never done a day's work in his life, but has three children and renovates and sells old cars. I don't know how he lives with himself.

But no-one who contributes to 'the system' would object to genuine people getting the help they need. And maybe if more of these scroungers were caught, there would be more in the pot for those who really need it.

nailpolish · 29/09/2006 14:29

WWB thats terrible

Nemo1977 · 29/09/2006 14:32

I didnt think you could get incapacity unless you had worked at least 3yrs in fulltime employment.

expatinscotland · 29/09/2006 14:38

Nemo
My ex's SIL has NEVER worked in his adult life - he's now in his 40s - and he gets IB.

I tell a lie, he's worked as a drug dealer.

Nemo1977 · 29/09/2006 14:39

mmm thats odd as when CPn told me to apply they were quite stringent about how long I had worked for previously etc.

fairyjay · 29/09/2006 14:43

Nemo
You might be right. Maybe he doesn't get IB. But he gets handouts for him and his family to live on.

This is a chap who was offered a job (by my dad!), but wouldn't take it because it meant he would have to leave home at 7.30 in the morning - poor lamb!