is christina aguilera's dirrty video exploitative?

[Heathcliffscathy]

wanted to start this somewhere else. it is v old now. so what about nelly furtado singing about being a 'promiscuous girl'?

i think david lachappele's (sp?) video of Christina Aguilera's song Dirrty is a great video.

provocative, sleazy, with sense of humour in evidence (the guy dressed as a bunny? the huge body builder camping it up?).

the fact that there is a woman at the centre of it singing about how she 'gets off' is the point isn't it?

so how is it that it is porn or part of why women are being abused and exploited?

following on from the other thread, which i didn't want to get bogged down in this

I think for me it is that the line between porn and acceptable has been moved in recent years.

Porn is about sex, and I feel it shouldn't be readily available in the same way that music videos are.

Does that make sense? I don't think that porn is to blame for abuse, but I do think that the normalising of it is making society, and especially those growing up, more sexualised.

To me, porn is about objectifiying people, both men and women. It desensitises users to the role of people as something other than sexual objects.

This is why I find it very dangerous indeed.

I agree with flamesparrow. I like the 'Dirrty' video and the song, but I don't think it should be widely available to children/teenagers.

Our society is getting too sexualised, but when it comes to images of women and men too and what is all around us I think it becomes a difficult question to which there isn't a clear cut answer.

Educating our children and society as a whole about rape/sexual abuse and the right of a person to say no and that 'she/he was leading me on' is not an excuse and is not acceptable.

I fidn it very telling to watch the 'old' videos from when I were a lass

Anything from the late 1980's looks like watching repeats of Rainbow

And Madonna's early videos which were SOOO contentious are now very innocent

Remember when Radio 1 still banned songs like George Michael's Sex?

I'm not advocating a return to the 1950s but we have normalised porn so that our ideas of normal sex are completely askew

and women are little more than objects

Wasn't there a book on this recently by a feminist who said all the 'empowering' by women saying they could dress provocatively and make themselves sexualised were damaging women as a whole and the progress of feminism?

Anybody read it?

My point would be that as an intelligent mature woman you may find the sense of humour evidence and even see it as empowering but I don't think a teenage girl would necessarily see it like that. I think they see videos like this and others and think that they have to be 'sexy' and 'up-for-it'. Rap videos worry me more though, where the woman are in bikinis or just shown as a load of bums in g-strings.

I just think that generally children are sexualised at a much younger age and I worry that girls in particular feel a pressure to be a certain way or be perceived as 'stiff'. Actually I know this is the case in lots of secondary schools as I have friends who teach this age group and are constantly astounded at how sexual some of the still young teenagers are.

And I don't think the dirty video is 'exploitative' BTW, I just don't like the idea of 12/13/14 year old girls watching it because I think they see it in a different way to the way we see it.

Which was that awful rap song recently about going to a brothel? was it called 'candy shop' or something - about going a choosing a woman. Horrible.

I remember that one as being particularly repugnant, katierocket.
Vile.
The rest is so derivative and crass it washes righ tover me