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DH say's Independent had a top ten best buggies article today...

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treacletart · 21/08/2006 21:47

.... can't find it online. Can anyone else? or anyone prepared to tell us what it said?

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shazronnie · 22/08/2006 21:26

From memory they liked the bugaboo, quinny buzz, maclaren xt, a silver cross one, a mothercare travel system...can't remember the rest but the paper is in the recycling bin, so if I remember tomorrow I will look fir it. (Can't go now it's dark outside!)

shazronnie · 23/08/2006 07:35

Ok Treacletart; here is a basic summary.

Best Luxury Buy; Bugaboo Chameleon £599
clever system, lightweight, swivel wheels

Best Buy; M and P Moove £200
3 recline positions, swivel wheels

Best Budget Buy; Mothercare Atlan Travel System £159.99
light, narrow, easy to manoeuvre

And the rest..
Maclaren Techno XT £144.99
Hauck Infinity Rockstar Baby £149.99 (designed by Jon Bon Jovi!!)
Kooltrade Scallywag New York Buggy £35 (no frills holiday basic)
Silver Cross Sleepover Classic £335
Combi Dash DX Buggy £159
Quinny Buzz £299.99
Red Kite Twin Jogger £159.99 (double 3 wheeler)

treacletart · 23/08/2006 09:23

Shazronnie - What a star you are! thanks so much for doing this! (Bit of a disappointing list really don't you think? Guess I was hoping for a new name somewhere in there?)

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MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 09:27

The Moove is fairly new, isn't it? Although the Skoot looks more interesting

treacletart · 23/08/2006 09:41

See, I'm already searching for a buggy for number 2. We've had a Micralite for 3 years and I love its manoevrability but it wont stand up to another baby. I like the look of a Bugaboo and I love the 2 way face the baby thing, but no way could I (would I) spend that kind of money and TBH I think its probably a bit heavy after the micralite. I quite like the look of a Hauck infifnity as a cheaper option or perhaps new Britax vitality .... hmmmm

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MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 09:55

the Vitality/Vigour looks quite cool but weighs an absolute ton!

the Skoot and the Loola are worth a look for the face-back-and-forward aspect, though tbh I'd make the old Micralite last as long as possible (guess you have the carrycot bit) and then get a Maclaren. Or if you can bear to give in on the facing-you thing, just get an XT now.

MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 11:01

ooh, also consider the Apple iCandy , the Firstwheels City Elite and the Bayamo if you're looking for Bugaboo-shaped alternatives.

geekgrrl · 23/08/2006 11:03

I find the indie top 10 or top 50 lists really annoying. they never seem to be well-researched at all, so i really wouldn't rely on what they're saying.

PatsyJ · 23/08/2006 11:11

I am surprised to find that Jane pushchairs are not in there somewhere?? I have a Jane Carerra and love it. Most people I know who have a Jane think they are great.

treacletart · 23/08/2006 12:26

Blimey Mrs Badger - you really know your stuff!

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katierocket · 23/08/2006 12:28

That's weird Mrs B - if you go to the site with teh Apple iCandy it says "The iCandy Apple is not allowed to be sold online"

how odd

NatalieJane · 23/08/2006 12:31

What is the general view on Jane systems? I have been trying to find info on them and can't find a single moan about them - surely there must be something that isn't quite right about it?! I am really interested in either the Slalom or Nomad with the Matrix car seat, but anything about the systems would be great Thanks.

MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 12:32

apparently it's some freaky condition imposed by the manufacturer - I thought it was odd as well.

katierocket · 23/08/2006 12:34

Friend of mine had a moan about one of the Jane car seats - can't remember which one. It was one where baby lays flat? Anyway, she said her DS hated it and literally screamed everytime he was put in it.

MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 12:47

It is the Matrix that lies flat, but it's not very safe if used flat in the car - Which? only gave it 10 out of a possible 100 in their safety trials and blacklisted it as a Don't Buy.
I can't work out if they tested it in the sitting-upright position as well though, and if so, how safe that was. It did score highly for installation, ease of use etc though.

(NB loads of babies seem to hate any carseat...)

NatalieJane · 23/08/2006 12:49

The lie flat one is the one I am after, but I think any baby could have a tantrum at going in any carseat/push chair/cot etc.

NatalieJane · 23/08/2006 12:54

I have read somewhere that it was as safe led down as sitting up?

Is there anywhere that makes a list of the safeness of all carseats? Like the encap thing for cars? Sorry I am a complete plank when it comes to things like this!

What are the pushchairs like for ease of use? Do wheels fall off, or things break off or anything?

We went for a Graco TS with my first, and never again will I buy a buggy I don't anything about!!

katierocket · 23/08/2006 12:54

"Is there anywhere that makes a list of the safeness of all carseats"

Which do but you have to subscribe

LIZS · 23/08/2006 12:58

Never sure these Top 10 type tests are as independent as they seem. Don't manufacturers contribute towards being included and provide the sample they think best meets the profile of the readership and which they want to promote?

NatalieJane · 23/08/2006 13:00

OK, thanks very much

MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 13:00

The 2005 Which report is free for download here - I have a copy of the 2006 one and can tell you about how specific seats did if you want. Actually I might just type it up and post it as it'd help a lot of people.
They don't test all of them every year though, just a representative selection.

katierocket · 23/08/2006 13:02

Mrs B - I would love to know about best/safest baby seat too, that would be great.

MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 13:11

OK, I'll post the Best Buys from 2006 - give me a second!

MrsBadger · 23/08/2006 13:25

How to buy

All child car seats are categorised according to the child?s weight. Some seats span different groups but we found that ?multi-group? seats tend to be a compromise.
As a child?s bone and body structure dramatically changes during the first few
years, what?s needed from a safety restraint also changes. Group 3 seats are known as
booster seats?. These will satisfy the new legal requirements for kids over 22kg but are not as safe as seats with ?wings?? which provide better protection for head and in a side-impact crash.

Group 0 0-10kg (22lb)birth to 11 months (boys); 14 months (girls)
Group 0+ 0-13kg (0-29lb) birth to about 15 months
Group 1 9-18kg (20lb-40lb) about 9 months to 41⁄2 years
Group 2 15-25kg (20lb-3st 13lb) about 3 to 7 years
Group 3 22-36kg (3st 7lb-5st 9lb)about 6 to 12 years

WHICH? BEST BUYS

CHILDREN FROM 0KG

75% Maxi-Cosi Cabriofix £160 (with Easyfix base)
We tested this seat with its optional Easyfix base (similar to Isofix) ? leave this fixed in the car. After removing the seat, to put it back in, just push, click and check safety indicators. Our impact tests showed a low risk of injury and head support is excellent. It?s light to carry (but the Easyfix base is quite heavy). It?s available from Boots, Halfords and John Lewis.
WE LIKE Simple installation onto Easyfix bases, and Easybase bases (for cars without Isofix mounts).
Cheapest store John Lewis
Safety
Weight of seat 3.6kg (8lb)

74% Britax Cosy Tot Isofix £200 (with Isofix base)
This is the same seat as the Cosy Tot Premium (3), but with Isofix mounting. It performed marginally better with its £105 Isofix base, but the belted model is nearly as good, scoring 71%, and at £95 is much cheaper. It?s quite easy to route the belting. The Isofix base is ideal if you plan on upgrading to Isofix (see ?Facts and scores?, p66) or have one car with Isofix and one without. It?s available from Argos and Halfords.
WE LIKE Performs well in Isofix and belted modes.
Cheapest store Halfords
Safety
Weight of seat 3.2kg (7lb)

CHILDREN FROM 9KG

74% Maxi-Cosi Priorifix £220
Our safety scores are for Isofix mounting; it performs less well using belts. It weighs
a back-breaking 11kg, so leave it installed. This solidity contributes to good crash
safety. Its support leg must be used even with belts ? so it?s no good in cars with floor storage. It?s available from John Lewis and Toys R Us.
WE LIKE Support leg indicator on (optional) Isofix base clearly shows when you?ve fitted it correctly.
Cheapest store John Lewis
Safety
Weight of seat 11kg (24lb)

70% Maxi-Cosi Tobi £165
The harness retracts the straps sideways when undone, so they don?t end up behind the child when they are placed in the seat. The buckle?s tension indicator shows green when the strap is secure. This is the first seat we?ve tested with ?load limiters? in the harness, which allow the belt to ?give? to absorb the energy of a crash. It?s available from Toys RUs.
WE LIKE The buckle?s tension indicator.
Cheapest store Toys R Us
Safety
Weight of seat 8.9kg (20lb)

70% Britax Duo Plus £190
We tested this seat last year with its optional Isofix base. It?s not quite top of
the table this year (newer models are better) but it still performs well. It shows the benefits of Isofix mounting methods ? there?s less potential for incorrect
fitting, and it gives a rigid link from the car to the seat, which is good for safety. It?s
available from John Lewis and Toys RUs.
WE LIKE Particularly clear fitting instructions, and Britax?s ?fitting guide? to show car/seat compatibility.
Cheapest store John Lewis
Safety
Weight of seat 8.9kg (20lb)

CHILDREN FROM 15KG

74% Concord Lift Evo PT £90
The unusual side ?wings? on this seat extend downwards to provide extra protection for the child?s abdomen. It?s also possible to adjust the seat?s recline angle, which makes it more likely that you?ll be able to get a good, snug fit whatever the rake of your rear seats. It?s available from independents.
WE LIKE The adjustable rake on the seat back means you can get a snug fit on your car?s rear seat.
Cheapest store Independents
Safety
Weight of seat 5.2kg (11.5lb)

72% Concord Lift Protect £80
Subtly different from the Lift Evo PT (18), and cheaper, this seat has large side ?wings?, which give excellent head support, and the base offers good leg support. There?s a wide range of fabrics, and all are machine washable. It?s available from Mothercare.
WE LIKE Concord offers some funky seat fabrics, which might persuade truculent 12-year-olds to use it.
Cheapest store Mothercare
Safety
Weight of seat 4.2kg (9lb)

71% Maxi-Cosi Rodi XP £90
Originally tested in 2004, this seat still performs well against newer competition. Our testers thought it was ideal for kids over four ? younger kids slump forwards when asleep. The belt routing is good, and it?s easy to position the seat belt correctly. The only minus point is the seat cover ? it?s hand-wash only. It?s available from Boots, John Lewis and Mothercare.
WE LIKE The optional cup holder.
Cheapest store John Lewis
Safety
Weight of seat 4.6kg (10lb)

71% Britax Evolva 2-3 Ultra £85
New for 2006, the Evolva 2-3 Ultra looks very similar to the Britax Kid but beneath the surface there are subtle changes. Our experts thought this seat suits children from about four to 12 years. Thanks to the high side bolsters, side-impact protection is particularly good ? you can adjust the headrest height as your child grows. It?s available from Boots, Halfords, John Lewis and Toys R Us.
WE LIKE The view from the seat: the child can see outwards very well.
Cheapest store John Lewis
Safety
Weight of seat 6.8kg (15lb)

katierocket · 23/08/2006 13:26

You're a star - thanks

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