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TooTicky · 19/07/2006 13:05

Hi, I've just been reading about heuristics and treasure baskets - thank you so much for the information - and I am thinking "wow!" and "how wonderful!" and "I could do that!" and "bugger, why didn't I know about this earlier?!"
I LOVE the idea of treasure baskets but my youngest is 12 mo so I suppose she should maybe be on the next stage? What do you think?
I am super-keen, slightly skint but expert at trawling charity shops.
Any advice or ideas would be much appreciated!

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FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 17:19

Hi TooTicky,

I have lots of inquisitive 12 month olds still happily enjoying treasure baskets at my groups. We do normally have a brief hiatus when they first learn to walk, as that takes precedence over everything else, but after that they find new ways to explore the baskets. I think the guidelines Elinor Goldschmied gives are too narrow, personally - I started taking a treasure basket along to my toddler sessions, so the younger siblings would have something to play with, but the older children (up to 4 years old) all love it too. They use the objects in quite a different way as they grow older (more role play), but the open-endedness of it still fires their imagination.

At the age of 12 months, if you like the idea of scouring charity shops I would still go for making one, but there are various things you can do to extend the treasure basket activity for older ones. Get a few different sorts of receptacles to use with the basket, such as large tins (like a catering size coffee tin), straw baskets with handles, sturdy paper bags with handles, and maybe some shoe boxes, some with lids and some with holes cut in the lids for posting. This will challenge your daughter's fine motor skills as she posts, fills, stacks, removes and sorts, and allow her to indulge in every newly walking toddler's favourite activity - Walking Around While Holding Something

If like me you become totally obsessed with heuristic play you will find the next stage just creeps up on you gradually and your partner is regularly coming home to find your lovely new additions all over the house.

Me: Aren't you going to ask why there are 12 mug trees on the living room widnowsill?

Dp: No.

Me: Why?

Dp: Because I don't want to know.

Oh, boot sales are better than charity shops for the collections of stuff, and eBay is also good for collections (eg keys, ping pong balls)

Do you have a local scrap recycling centre? They can be brilliant.

Let me know how you get on and if you find any particularly rich veins of treasure

CarolinaMoose · 19/07/2006 17:24

what kind of groups do you run, Franny (if you don't mind my asking)?

FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 17:28

No, I don't mind at all Carolina (gave up on the idea of real anonymity on here a while ago )

I run music and movement type activity groups for toddlers / preschoolers, and heuristic play (with a bit of music and movement) sessions for babies. Heuristic play mostly involves what cod calls "wanky baskets" You can read more about it on this useful site and I hope to have my own site soon.

Mercy · 19/07/2006 17:33

I was thinking about this the other day actually. ds (2.5) pulled a pot down from a shelf (which I didn't think he could reach) and I found him sitting entranced playing with its contents - a padlock, an allen key, a few screws, a rubber and various other bits. I thought he was maybe a bit too old for that sort of thing but obviously not! Will obviously have to have a rethink.

Yes, I am nosey and look at threads which have other people's names as the title!!

FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 17:37

Children like to experiment with real objects; it's natural - they don't see us sitting round fiddling with bits of brightly coloured plastic, they see us working with all sorts of objects around the house and garden. A collection of real objects that are safe for them to explore, is a great play activity for a child of any age, really.

hub2dee · 19/07/2006 17:53

And it's much more handy to get the feel for a whisk or a mug tree or a chamois leather than becoming adept at pressing buttons on some random, essentially non-educational toy.

Humph.

hub2dee · 19/07/2006 17:54

(Here's hoping FaZ retires a happy multi-millionairess from selling wanky treasure baskets)

FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 18:42

Hub, I think you are my foremost cult member at the moment

Get me more disciples, minion

JessaJam · 19/07/2006 18:47

am off to snatch empty formula tin out of recycling cupboard this minute (well, maybe a bit later) to start a treasure 'tin' for 11mo ds

and yes, I too read threads clearly aimed at someone else! (not always mind!)

FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 18:52

Well, yes, formula tins are the perfect size and shape

But I cover them in neutral shades of tastefully patterned paper, of course

I would like to know who doesn't read threads with other people's names on. How else would we all know what was going on?

JessaJam · 19/07/2006 18:57

oh yes will be covering tin!
Probably in fabric scraps.

FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 18:58

Woven from lentils, I hope?

hub2dee · 19/07/2006 19:00

Working on it, ma'am...

JessaJam · 19/07/2006 19:03

...Yes'M, grown in in home-composted compost too ...

will then be able to pretend tin contained fairly traded organic coffe not evil corporate powder!!!

TooTicky · 19/07/2006 19:42

Oooh oooh we do actually have a fairly-traded coffee tin (smug preen). I shall snaffle it as soon as dp has emptied it.
Tickybabe, meanwhile, ponders upon the heuristic value of dry cat food - organic, of course - and why mummy does not seem to appreciate it in the same way.

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aitch71 · 19/07/2006 20:29

wow, that is an amazing site. and so true, by the way... i just spent 13 quid on a wooden coloured skwish toy that I thought looked lovely and the baby ignored it in favour of my keyring.
sorry to be such a duffer, but can you give me some ideas of what might be good in a wanky basket for a seven-month-old?

hub2dee · 19/07/2006 21:06

Franny, you owe me a foot massage.

Here .

FrannyandZooey · 19/07/2006 21:35

Hub as soon as I sorted out all these loaves and fishes, ok?

Aitch, can you CAT me, or email me on frannyandzooey at india dot com, and I'll send you loads of lovely info about making treasure baskets, if you like?

Anyone else interested, please feel free to do the same.

aitch71 · 19/07/2006 23:22

Ppppffffft. Costs a fiver to CAT people, doesn't it?
I'll GLADLY (cheaply) email you...

did you ever decide what to call your website?

hunkermunker · 20/07/2006 00:10

Just asked DH for some ideas about things for a wanky basket.

He said a pubic hair and a bogey.

He's not got the hang of this, has he?!

aitch71 · 20/07/2006 00:27

depends how colossal the bogey...

FrannyandZooey · 20/07/2006 08:08

aitch, I think it will have to be eurekaplay, as there were still some dissenters on 'kids' (plus, I nearly got lynched for asking, which sort of put me off the whole idea). I am still mulling it over (ie need another excuse to avoid getting off my arse and actually building it)

Hunker, the items need to be big enough so the babies won't choke. Does your dh think he can supply snot wider than a baby's trachea?

hunkermunker · 20/07/2006 09:08

I think he hadn't thought it through

I'll be sourcing the items for it, needless to say...

aitch71 · 20/07/2006 14:06

wouldn't a bogey be disallowed on the grounds that it is technically a foodstuff? or is that just me?

FrannyandZooey · 20/07/2006 17:52

No, food is allowed in, aitch. Mine have lemons and limes in. Not bogeys, though.

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