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Princess Di, did they think we've forgotton?

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Rhiannon · 11/01/2002 13:27

I may be stirring up a hornet's nest here with you lot. I still find it incredible that Prince Charles and his g'friend carry on like normal after all that's happened. She will possibly be queen in the future if he ascends to the throne (although being divorced it may be different).

I still think back to the funeral cortege where those boys were made to walk behind the coffin not touching or having a hug from their Dad.

Perhaps I'm making something out of nothing or does anyone else still feel uncomfortable with it all? R.

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Pupuce · 11/01/2002 14:02

.... well I disagree with you. I believe people need to go on with their lives and particularely I think it is important for Harry and William that their father is in a happy relationship. What good would it do for the boys to see Charles and Camilla carry-on in secret (I am not sure that's even possible with so many tabloid interest) ... if the boys are OK and comfortable with that relationship : ultimately it's what is most important.

CAM · 11/01/2002 14:40

As I always believed from the start that Charles' marriage to Di was one of convenience (for him) and of necessity to produce heirs, I was not surprised that it didn't last or that the Royal Family in general treated Di so badly. She had already been rejected by them before her death and their reaction to her death and since is part of that. Basically I think Camilla was always determined to be in the position she now occupies and it is the usual story of selfish people.

Rhiannon · 11/01/2002 15:12

Hapy to have Queen Camilla then? R.

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Ems · 11/01/2002 16:29

I dont believe there will be a Queen Camilla, I think he will have to choose, throne or Camilla the wife, then William would be king.

As 'they' arent keen on William being King so young, I should think it will all carry on as it is, with the Queen going on for as long as her mother, so by the time the decision needs to be made, who knows what and whom will be there to consider.

jodee · 11/01/2002 17:54

'Scuse my ignorance - Philip is known as 'Prince', or Duke of Edinburgh, not King, so would Camilla be Queen or something else (not sure how these things work)?
I agree with Ems that I don't see Charles becoming King anyway, the Queen looks set to run and run so William will most probably be the next successor to the throne.

Rhiannon · 11/01/2002 19:06

jodee, apparently when a man is King his wife is automatically Queen but not so when a woman is made Queen so Philip is her handsome Prince!

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Kia · 11/01/2002 20:02

I personally think Prince Charles and the royal household have alot of the fault to carry here. My reasoning is this, he and Camilla were an accepted item for many years and he dithered until she coudn't or wouldn't wait. Then I'm afraid it wouldn't have mattered who he married, the outcome would have been the same - a brood mare for the heir and a spare.

The thing that upsets me most is that they 'the royal household' took a 19 year old and knew exactly what they were doing - him included and when Di didn't say 'thanks very much being queen is enough for me' - they simply froze her out and she not being particularly stable (and who can blame her) just threw caution to the winds. Frankly she had been offered the ultimate prize - queen of england - if she kept shut, what did she have to loose? Of course, courtiers and the royal hangers on will eventually have to stand up and be counted, because one day we will have a king who remembers what they did to his mother.

Think also of Camilla's ex-husband - the man who laid down his wife for his king. Not only that they have children too, who must also be stuck in the middle of all this wondering what will happen.

I don't think Camilla will ever be Queen. HRH's official consort perhaps.

I often think about Princess Margaret, when you see the wreck she's become in that wheelchair on her mum's birthday march past. Thinking about how she gave up her 'lurve' to remain a princess, and knowing what we know about the way the royal family has changed over the years, theres a better than even chance that if she had thrown caution to the winds, and her title, she would have been still standing outside Claredon House as the queens sister in this day and age anyway!

The only thing about it all is that we as a country have 2 lovely princes for our teens daughters to fantasise about! I have told my daughter that I would have to think long and hard about contact with such a dysfunctional family!!!

AliH · 11/01/2002 21:27

Hang on though, she wasn't the most stable of people was she? Also, what about her affairs, and the manipulation of the press etc etc.

I reckon that Charles should be able to have a happy relationship, and agree that if he and the boys are happy with it, so should we be, echo Pupuce.

Whilst we are on the subject of it, views on whether it was an accident?

Kia · 11/01/2002 21:41

But my point is they made her that way. They took a naive fatally flawed 19 yr old girl with a very poor family history and offered her the fairytale ending if she would only look the other way when her husband wouldn't stop seeing another woman.

I'm not saying she wasn't unstable, or that she didn't have affairs, but I am saying that you have only to look at the old film of her - or remember it 'live' on TV at the time to see that she gave him 110% when they got married. She had 'I vow to thee my country' at her wedding, for heaven's sake - she believed the lie. And both Prince Charles and the Royals betrayed her trust.

I have no difficulty believing that they all heaved an enormous sigh of relief after the funeral. The heirs in place and no silly girl to worry about any more. Apart from Fergie, and thats another story!

Kia · 11/01/2002 21:43

Sorry, bit more! I have no trouble with the thought that the princes and Prince Charles and Camilla for all that are not entitled to some happiness, but lets not pretend that it was all one person's fault.

Mooma · 12/01/2002 11:26

Kia, completely agree with your last three postings. I do believe everyone is entitled to happiness, and that life moves on, but the way the Palace is gradually pushing Camilla more and more into the spotlight makes me feel completely manipulated.
I feel very ashamed of and let down by the behaviour of our Royal family. They are supposed to be some sort of figurehead for the values of our country, or so royalists tell me. Did they have to try so hard to prove they're only human!

Rhiannon · 12/01/2002 13:48

Agree with you Mooma. The recent behaviour of Edward trying to film William really annoyed me. How much does he get a year from the 'purse' anyone know? Then there's his wife using her name to promote business. I really wish they would concentrate on one thing or the other.

I read today that Charles's income from the Duchy of Cornwall is £4m per year!

It really annoys me that the press go on about Anne having dresses that are 20 years old. Good for her, who gives a sh*t! R.

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Kia · 12/01/2002 18:30

I just love Fergie! Not for all the right reasons, but just because she is a thorn in all those uptight royal backsides!! And she has been very clever indeed, she has Prince Andrew on her side, she must have otherwise she'd never survive that close to the Royals.

I don't think she worries for one instant that she doesn't get to go to all the royal 'family' occasions that the media make such a fuss of either. I'm equally sure that if she put her mind to it, she could get Andrew to get her invited anyway.

I also think Sophie should have cried off that official appointment to a nursery school. Looking at all the sad posts we've seen on mumsnet after someone has lost a baby, we all know how awful she must be feeling. Still, he seems to care for her - the photos of them leaving hospital had him actually touching her in public, something the royals don't do.

Last post on this, I can actually forgive Diana anything every time I see her kneel down and fling her arms open wide when greeting her boys after some foreign trip or other. And I compare that to the picture of Prince Charles, very small, shaking hands with his mother on his return from school one holiday. Perhaps if they'd both really loved each other, it would have worked. But they didn't, and so it was doomed to failure.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a royalist through and through, but it doesn't mean I actually have to approve of the current lot!

Joe1 · 13/01/2002 07:48

Kia I think Fergie is great, down to earth and being herself. Lorraine Kelly asked her what she did at Christmas a few weeks ago when her girls go with their dad and shes left all alone. She didnt seem to care, said it gave her time to catch up on some telly.

themildmanneredjanitor · 22/02/2010 12:56

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DarrellRivers · 22/02/2010 12:59
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weegiemum · 22/02/2010 13:00

Why?

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 22/02/2010 13:01

arf at op

they aren't boyfriend and girlfiend you know

they have been married some years

wrt to the not touching or speaking at the funeral - how do you know that any of them hadn't said 'don't look at me don't touch me, don't speak to me or I will LOSE it'.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 22/02/2010 13:01

oh you got me !!!!

queenoftheslatterns · 22/02/2010 13:02

i disliked Diana intensely. in all the "poor little girl married a man who cheated on her" hoohah we seem to have forgotten that he had ONE (known of) affair with the love of his life. she had several affairs with random men. neither of them behaved well and I think that Charles has done a good job since her death of raising two sons.

I dont think Camilla should be queen, but neither do i think that we should put Diana on this damned pedestal.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 22/02/2010 13:02

oh and ooops at girlfiend how very freudian

Ivykaty44 · 22/02/2010 13:04

this post is years old boylike dogs - its from 2002 when they were b/f and g/f