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Not holding it together right now (very long)

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foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 02:23

Feeing Depressed is the wrong topic, I'm not depressed, I don't feel depressed, I'm usually fine, buoyant and sorted. I'm just such a mess tonight. Won't bother changing my name.
ds is 10 months old. He's never slept through, not that I'm aiming for it, he wakes between 2 and 6 times a night and cries immediately, and I feed (bf) him, and I don't mind, I work and I don't want to give up the feeding, the closeness, something that is exclusively mine and not dh's. And we had a real struggle stablishing bf, and I love it. He is such a light sleeper and wakes at the slightest thing. There is no way to keep him away from noise as we live in a one-bed flat, bedroom right next to living room. We don't get him off to bed/sleep until between 9.30 and 10. Again, usually I can live with this (it seems to be just the way he is, he needs relatively little sleep, he's perfectly fit and healthy, developing like a dream). He was asleep, I went to bed, he woke, I fed him, laid him in his cot (next to our bed), I was just drifting off and dh, who has an obsession with airing the rooms, banged the balcony door shut, waking ds. We had a row, I cried buckets, am now feeding ds back to sleep, he does this awful thing where he arches his back and cries and he's been doing it again tonight and it's just so upsetting. I'm so scared the neighbous will have heard ds crying, me crying and saying 'stop it, ds, please' and think I'm hurting him :( I already find it very difficult at nights as I'm always haunted by an irrational fear that someone has told lies about me/us and ds will be taken away, or we will be arrested. In the daytime I don't have this as I'm too busy, but at night it always haunts me and means, however tired I am, I sometimes have to really pluck up my courage to go to bed.
I work ft and dh is a sahd and is supposed to be doing his doctorate. Because I'm a lecturer and we live very close to uni I can do a lot of my work at home and am very flexible in the timing of it. My contact runs out in a year (it won't be renewed, my boss had to fight tooth and nail to et me a year's extension, it's an admin decision) and after that I don't know what we'll do. I'm just trying to be both, a SAHM to ds (after all, I am around most of the time) and a WOHM, and be as good as I can, becuase I need to be good so I can get another job. last semester I would rush to classes then rush home to bf ds. dh is supposed to be applying for funding - if he got some I could probably go part-time for a while, assuming my next job is on a similar level -, but needs permanent kicks up the ar*e. I give him plenty of time for his work, but a lot of it he tbh fritters away - and it's NOT always my job to sort out his work time, he should be coming to me and saying 'II need this and this time then and then'. We are thinking of ttc again soon and I'm saving like mad to support a period in which I could stay at home, but again all of the initiative to comes from me. Because of the way his studies are and the job situation over here is he couldn't earn nearly as much as me atm and also the doctorate fits in best with what he's done so far (it's in a very specialised area he got passionate about and did loads on during his degree). He is really great in so many ways, wonderful with ds, great with housework etc, supportive, adores me, but there are some things he's just so ostrich-like on and he has a habit, which I find really hard to handle, of interpreting me wrongly, or over-interpreting, if I ever criticise him or something even a bit, which I almost see as an attempt to head the criticism off - for example, if I say he really needs to be getting down to his work, we've only a year before my job runs out etc he'll immediately say 'oh, I'll get a job' - meaning any old job, both in the way he means it and in practice due to the job market here, and he knows I don't want or even mean that - it's almost like he says these things so he doesn't have to engage with my point. I'm often unfair to him too, I know it. But I really do feel like I'm holding it all together, mapping out our future, and he just doesn't take this or indeed me seriously (he knows how scared I am that the doorbell will ring in the night, and yet he finds it funny - suggested that as an April fool's joke he'd go downstairs at night and ring the bell Angry). FWIW, I love him very much, and I could and would not contemplate leaving him. But how to get through to someone who can do such a good impression of a brick wall. I'm not like that; I'm very communicative and (over-?) engage with everything he or others say. Bu he never, ever, or very seldom, lets me know how he receives anything I tell him that I feel is not right between us.
And I do my best to support friends and other people and know I can't do enough, and there are a couple of MNers I've promised to do things for and I just haven't got round to it (if you're reading this - so sorry!). I wish I could be there more for other people, be wiser than I am, be of more use to them.
I am happy, I'm certain I don't have PND or similar, know how very very lucky I am and it's almost like I feel it's not my right, it's been too much luck, it's all going to go wrong. That's where the fear of being unjustly accused comes from, I think. I never seem to stop trying to hold it together, be good and better, be all things to all people. I've dealt with OCD and keep a firm lid on it usually, but occasionally it starts (as it were) crawling out of the bin. I always have a lot of energy and can usually deal with these things, but there are times I just can't, and I fail, and I don't have to, tonight I just let go far too easily.
This is hideously long, thanks for staying with it if you have :)

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foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 02:30

Oh, bl**dy hell, re-reading this, it's pretty pathetic, isn't it? Oh well, it's online, for now.
Do I really make my own problems to this extent?

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foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 02:47

going to try and go to bed.
not sure if/when I'll be around (on MN) tomorrow, in case anyone replies.

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Airy · 01/04/2006 03:10

I really feel for you, yet I don't know what to say to help!
I just wanted to acknowledge your posts and I really hope things work out for you soon.
I'm sorry I don't have anything constructive to say but am up on minimal sleep with a nightmare child myself! lol
Am here for the duration if you're up and want to chat though! lol

roosmum · 01/04/2006 03:15

fit - so sorry you feel like this.

fwiw i know something of how you feel - 13 mo ds who (until this week!) has never slept through. dh & i both academics - dh passed his viva last monday, & i'm trying to finish a chapter (that's why i'm still up at 3.10, ha!)...dunno what i'm trying to get across (v. v. zzzzz) but i just wanted to answer you. my ds is also bf, so there's def hope yours may soon start sleeping better?? it makes such a huge difference imo - doyou think long-term sleeplessness has had an impact?? (can't imagine it wouldn't tbh) you sound so stressed, i really hope you can find a way to get dh to do his bit in taking the burden - it's no joke caring for a non-sleeping baby & trying to produce top quality work huh?! try & relax fit...have to sleep now, shattered!
xxx

christie1 · 01/04/2006 03:17

its ok, read this when you can. It's not pathetic, you are under an incredible amount of stress right now. Let some things drop off the table that are not absolutely important that you do and focus on work and baby. As to dh, when you are calmer you need to clearly state what you need from him and what I read (between the lines) is he needs to get out of the house and get a job and bring in some income. sorry, but it sounds like he has lots of excuses for not doing anything at all, but he needs a boot in his arse to get moving and take control of his life/career. Not some day, but within the next 6 months he needs to accomplish this. You can't do it all. Then explain you will be seeking a part-time job after your contract is up, not full-time so you can be home with baby. It is his turn to be the breadwinner and have that pressure. You are not capable of supporting friends right now, so don't take that on. If they are true friends they will understand.

You sound like a wonderful mom. your just tired and up many times a night is exhausting. No one will take your son, you have just lost perspective because you are juggling too many balls. remember there are too kinds of balls, rubber and glass. go ahead and drop the rubber ones, they bounce. The only ball you have to juggle is the glass one (your baby) and you haven't dropped that, far from it, he sounds well loved so focus on that and let the other balls go.

lionhearted · 01/04/2006 09:59

Hope you are feeling better this morning, maybe some of the wide awake in the morning crowd can help?

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foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 10:11

Thanks Airy, roosmum, Christie. Airy, thanks for offering to chat, I went to bed and did actually sleep in the end.
roosmum, belated congrats to your dh!
I'm sure I am tired, but in the day, however little/broken sleep I've had, I always seem to pick up and get on, so I don't even usually feel that tired during rhe day. I think I'm very lucky in this respect tbh.
Christie, I like the rubber and glass balls thing! Just due to the work situation, the work thing seems like a glass one too iyswim. I'm in a bit of a career sticky patch myself - I finished my doctorate nearly 3 years ago, I did it in 2 years 8 months from start to finish, it was considered very very good, but due to long periods at uni in the UK and hence away from dh for most of the duration (we are in Germany) and the strain of things with my parents, I'd run out of steam by the end and didn't have a follow-on project, which ruled out research jobs. Unemployment is bad over here, has been for a few years and it was really difficult to get anything. dh was writing his degree dissertation. In the end I took the job I'm in now, which is teaching-only and in English (not the field of my DPhil), to have something and it meant we had to move to a small town we didn't know at all. I adapted, dh is unhappy here. Basically when my contract runs out it's all open again - dh wants to move back to where we were (for his research too), I'm thinking about the UK but know he really needs to be here, I'm not sure how to move back into research (I do the odd review atm, that's it). TBH I would love to be a SAHM for at least a while, but it's not going to happen. Some of you may know my parents cut me out of their lives because I didn't give in to their pressure to leave dh (this was 6 years ago now). My mother made herself and the whole family miserable by being bitter about 'having' to work to fund a certain lifestyle and my father not providing it for her, and I'd do anything not to repeat those mistakes - which makes it very hard to admit to just sometimes wanting to be able to be at home without work encroaching on every nook and cranny of my life. Because so much of my work is doable at home it gets everywhere - evenings, weekends, nighta.
You're right, Christie, that dh needs to get his a*se in gear, and he knows it too - I just wish he would! He has bursts of activity, but then it trails off again.

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foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 10:11

thanks lionhearted :)

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foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 10:14

am off again for a bit now. hope to be back on this pm.

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lionhearted · 01/04/2006 10:17

I think it's also the nature of academiathere are no limits to the amount of work you can dothere's always another book/article to read, and it does play to every insecurity you have (about not doing enough to advance; not being good enough etc)... It is a profession that can take over everything and the only way to stop this happening is to set the boundaries (very difficult when you work so much from home, I know).

foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 13:13

Oh lionhearted, I know - being out of the research loop a bit has taken some of that pressure off for a while, but teaching brings its own insecurities...

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ItalianJob · 01/04/2006 13:17

have no idea about the practicalities of the career lark, but IMHO it's no wonder you're feeling run ragged - you're trying to do a full time job and be an SAHM - each on their own can be highly stressful and exhausting. Combined with a lack of sleep, no wonder that your anxiety is spiking, and your mind is playing tricks on you.

I think previous posters are correct - that you should work less hours, and your DH should get some sort of job. I think some sort of job would help focus him, and help him empathise with the balancing act that you do.

gtg will be lack later

(the MNetter formerly known as MTS)

Tinker · 01/04/2006 13:35

Will try and think of something useful to say and post later fit but lots of sympathy - also have 10 month-old still waking up 2 to 3+ times a night to feed, I'm working ft, I'm knackered. My neighbour has shouted "Shut up" through teh walls at night - so know how you feel about that one. Will post if I have anything constructive to say but will keep reading with interest.

lionhearted · 01/04/2006 16:16

I'd be absolutely furious if my neighbour did that Tinker. Do they have children or grandchildren or anything themselves?

Yes, FIT, that's true, teaching can be very depleting and if you're not getting enough support/sleep it's awful ....

foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 19:14

Thanks IJ and Tinker.

Working less hours isn't an option IJ, not with this contract, it's full or nothing.

Can't say much right now, too tired & emotional. Lots of normally suppressed insecurities raging everywhere :(

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emkana · 01/04/2006 19:22

fit, I haven't got much advice to give, but just wanted to say I'm sorry you're feeling this way atm. FWIW, I remember the age of your ds as one in which I got particularly annoyed sometimes with night-feeding, but then after a while it got better. Have you considered letting him sleep in your bed? He might sleep better if he's right in there with you.

Good luck with all the job-related things, unfortunately I can't be much help there! Is your dh German?

FastasleepTheAprilFool · 01/04/2006 19:28

I'm in awe, that you're still standing by evening is amazing! I have b*gger all helpful to add, but wanted to acknowledge your post!

foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 19:35

Thanks emkana and fastasleep (btw fa, I'm likewise in awe of your expressing!) :)
emkana, he ends up in our bed from about the 2nd or 3rd waking, which is fine by me - we co-slept fully for the first 6 months and I loved it - but it's just starting to get too full in our 1.40m bed we can't afford to replace! ds tends to roll over and splay his arms out and when dh is asleep he's dead to the world (very very unlike me - I think ds gets his light sleep from me) - so there's me squashed in the middle, and with a dodgy back anyway... joy Wink. So my nights are not the most restful anyway.

Yes, dh is German.

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emkana · 01/04/2006 19:44

Do you know I have a few friends in Germany who started their PhD's and years later they are still at it and life has sort of got in the way...

really annoys me about the unis in Germany how unstructured and unsupportive things are, leaving people do spend years and years and years on their degree/PhD without getting anywhere, and nobody cares. Sad

You have to be so incredibly self-disciplined to get through it quickly and efficiently.

FastasleepTheAprilFool · 01/04/2006 19:44

Re my expressing - I only do it 4 times a day! A mere annoyance!

(Not like last time...ugh now that was tough lol)

Hausfrau · 01/04/2006 19:44

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Ellbell · 01/04/2006 20:13

FIT... I'm so sorry you're feeling like this. I am also an academic, and supported dh through his MSc and PhD (though he had some limited funding). Both our dds were born before he finished the latter. The insecurity of it all is awful, and I know it won't help you at all if I say that dh actually gave up on academia in the end and is now working in an unrelated field. However, this was not really to do with the intrinsic problems of combining two academic careers with kids - he 'fell out of love' with his subject and didn't feel that he'd be happy with the pressures of an academic post. From te little I know of the German system (have a really good German friend who did a PhD a few years ago) it's even worse... don't you have to do the equivalent of a second thesis in order to hope to get a job? I could advise a bit re. funding if he was in the UK, but obviously know nothing about how things are in Germany.

Don't underestimate the effects of tiredness. I have periods when I don't sleep more than 5 hours a night and I know that I am horrid to the kids and to dh in those periods. Am trying to force myself to be in bed by midnight atm, however knackered I am. But I too seem to be coping OK... I feel tired in the mornings, but by evening am fine again, and so the cycle is allowed to perpetuate itself. Can you force yourself to go to bed really early - even if you know you'll be woken up in a few hours by your ds - just to be sure that you get a reasonable amount of sleep?

I don't want to be the 'cruel and heartless one', but I am wondering whether you are helping to keep this vicious circle going by feeing your ds back to sleep every time he wakes. I do sympathise with the worry about the neighbours, and in any case I'm not a fan of the whole 'controlled crying' thing. But, I wonder if you could try to break his association with waking and getting a lovely yummy bf/cuddle... Would he yell the place down if you just gave him the cuddle and maybe a drink of water, without the bf? (Sorry if this is a stupid idea - I had stopped bf by 6 months and can't claim to be speaking with any sort of experience here, let alone authority...)

I'm sorry, FIT, this is no help to you at all. I can only send you loads of sympathy. You sound very strong and capable, as well as a loving wife and mother. Your family are lucky to have such a great mum/wife, and I'm sure things will work out for you....

Ellbell · 01/04/2006 20:15

Sorry - have to dash... that was a bit incoherent (tired, you see...lol), I meant that I am trying to get to bed by midnight, whether I feel knackered or not. Normally I get to bed between 1 and 2 a.m.

foundintranslation · 01/04/2006 21:02

Thanks for replies - I've had a relaxing bath and feel less frazzled and more upbeat; I have an ear inflammation too which wasn't helping matters but now seems to have subsided.
It is tough on German PhD students, isn't it em? dh is very much between disciplines with his topic and has luckily found loads of interest and encouragement from interviewees, archivists etc. I think if you're dependent on one supervisor whose resources are stretched in all directions (like, indeed, those of us who teach undergrads) it's sadly rather sink or swim. I did mine at Oxford and it was a different world. I often think there's just too little kudos attached to teaching/supervising here.
HF, thanks :) for the hugs and flat theory! I'm fairly used to flats, or so I think, as we lived in one in Berlin - I really do kwym though about knowing things about the neighbours you'd rather not! So Envy at your prospects of a house! (When I go for walks with dh and ds we go past lots of Einfamilienhäuser and pick ou the ones we want Grin)
Ellbell, thanks for your post - I'm really touched - don't feel like a good wife or mother atm! I really should try to push myself to go to bed early - I do value the time I get to myself in the evening once ds is asleep, though. Re the feeding - I know it sounds silly but I want to hang onto it, at least for the time being - as it's something dh can't replace me in! You are right though, the 'buoyed up' effect can be very treacherous and I must try and get some more sleep in before semester starts again. You're right, as the current system over here stands permanent positions (ie tenure) are really only available to those who write a 'second book'.

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spacecadet · 01/04/2006 21:15

sorry i have only just seen this.
it sounds like you are completely exhausted, you are trying to hold down a career and be a mum too, plus you are still bf in the night and that takes its toll too.
you need to sit down and address each problem individually.
your dh needs a rocket under him(sorry)
you can not be expected to support the household and be a mum/housewife etc, you are only human.
i suffer from ocd too and find it rears its ugly head when im stressed and tired.
you dont sound like you have pnd but you sound like you are suffering from system overload.
i think the doorbell joke was rather unfunny , your dh must know that this is a big fear of yours. it certainly sounds like he doesnt take anything seriously, it probably wouldnt do him any harm if you said, right im going and walked out on him just for the weekend, it might make him sit up and take notice.
i know im not the best one to give relationship advice!