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Lou33 · 31/12/2003 12:27

Lavender, you were asking about downloading music, and why it is illegal. Thought I would start a separate post for it here.

The main reason d'ling music is illegal, unless through specific approved fee paying sites, is copyright protection. Every time a song is played, bought etc, a royalty has to be paid to the record company. By d'ling it, that is avoided. The sites online where music can be downloaded by file sharing are illegal, although many millions do it, because they are just copying tracks from one person to another, and avoiding paying anything to the record companies.

This link might help explain about royalties.

There has been a case in America recently, where a woman was fined $12,000 for illegally downloading music from the internet, in a case brought by the RIAA, this is copied and pasted from a site I found:

"The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) announced on June 25, 2003, that it will begin suing users of peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing systems within the next few weeks. According to the announcement, the RIAA will be targeting users who upload/share "substantial" amounts of copyrighted music. The RIAA has stated that it will choose who to sue by using software that scans users' publicly available P2P directories and then identifies the ISP of each user. Then, using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the RIAA will subpoena the ISP for each user's name, address, and other personal information in order to sue that user."

Yes the record companies make and sell you mp3 players to play your downloaded tracks on, but they want you to go to one of their sites, register for a fee and download them legally.

It's a bit of a grey area in policing it though, as there are so many internet users worlwide, it seems impossible that they can control everyone, but it is illegal just the same. Noone would come online and openly admit to doing anything illegal on a website, I am sure, which is why your question about if anyone on mumsnet has done it has been left unanswered.

In answer to another of your questions, Napster was a big p2p website, which shared files worldwide. It was forced to close down, as it was illegal, and reopen as a legitimate fee paying site. Kazaa is a similar site, but on the illegal side of things, as is Emule. I know these things from dh being in the music business btw. Hope this helps.

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sunchowder · 31/12/2003 20:20

Thank you so much for taking the time to do that Lou.

lavender1 · 01/01/2004 16:04

Lou33,

Thanks very much for taking the time to explain this, I wasn't trying to change the thread, it's just all this talk of musicals made me ponder if anyone had done this.

You have made me much more aware of this as was generally just illinformed.

Will not be downloading anymore because of this.

and a hug for you, cheers!

Lou33 · 01/01/2004 16:35

No probs Lavender, just wanted to have a proper thread for you to explain it, makes it easier to find! .

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JanH · 01/01/2004 18:23

Kazaa is illegal? You're kidding! We just signed up with them - I thought they were OK? (Did wonder why they were so cheap though...)

Lou33 · 01/01/2004 20:23

I think there are different versions of Kazaa, sorry I should have mentioned, but I am pretty sure they are. They are embroiled in court cases in the US.

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JanH · 01/01/2004 21:07

We have Kazaa Lite and paid $30 to use it - not to them though, to free-music.com (I think).

I don't understand....

Lou33 · 01/01/2004 21:13

Well I'm not sure, but I know others who have paid nothing for Kazaa Lite. Odd. There are others who are definitely illegal though.

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TiredDragon · 01/01/2004 21:15

Limewire is one of the illegal ones I think.

Lou33 · 01/01/2004 21:21

My point was to explain about why downloading from unapproved sites was illegal though, so I hope that was clear. Don't panic Jan!

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pie · 01/01/2004 21:40

I have Kazza Lite and never paid for it. There was that case 3 months ago in America where a mother had paid for Kazza and her 12 year old daughter had downloaded Nursery Rhymes and then got taken to court, they settled with the record companies out of court. You're not safe if you've paid I'm afraid. But its up to you if you want to take the risk.

If you are worried about whether your IP address has been targetted you can check it here to see if you've ben subpoenaed.

pie · 01/01/2004 21:52

I think that Kazaa has the rights to some content but not others, thats how they can charge you and thats why you can still be prosecuted as you can download 'unapproved' stuff.

JanH · 01/01/2004 22:39

This is the site we joined and its explanation of how it isn't illegal - have to say though I didn't read it carefully! Could you run it by your DH, please, Lou?

Lou33 · 01/01/2004 22:43

If he ever wakes up Jan!

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pie · 01/01/2004 23:00
Lou33 · 01/01/2004 23:02

Exactly . You explained that so much better than me. Thanks !

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JanH · 01/01/2004 23:21

Oo-er. Thank you very much, pie's DH. So we should stop using it? Or are we OK (legally if not morally) until they start going after European users like US users?

Is Napster legal now?

JanH · 01/01/2004 23:23

Sorry - not even legally really!

And who has our $30 gone to??? (Am a bit miffed about that!)

pie · 01/01/2004 23:34
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