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To All Teachers; Can you answer this honestly?

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ssd · 16/02/2006 14:20

My friend is a teacher in a primary school and she says she can always tell the difference between children that have been in full time childcare since they were small and the ones that have been at home mostly looked after by their mum or relatives.

Would you agree?

Please be honest, I don't know if she's talking rubbish or not?

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fob · 16/02/2006 16:36

sorry - i meant EDUCATION

Milliways · 16/02/2006 17:03

My DD went to Nursery from 6 months, full time from 18 months. At school we were congratulated on her as she entered knowing how to dress/undress for PE, do laces, bathroom, read & write (basic first grade stuff) & do basic sums - all of which came from nursery.

Her biggest problem was the boys who didn't do what they were told or who shouted out!

DS also went to Childminder, then nursery from age 2 with similar results.

They are both doing extremely well at school, and for those who have (want) to work, I would recommend a GOOD nursery anytime.

Enid · 16/02/2006 17:05

its all a load of crap

totally depends on the child

dd1 never went anywhere except for a few mornings at playgroup and is the most popular, kindest and attentive child in her class

but her best friend is very very similar and was in full time nursery from 2.5.

Enid · 16/02/2006 17:06

sorry that should have read full time nursery from 2.5 months

Blandmum · 16/02/2006 17:07

Basically children do best in school when they enter it happy, resonably confident, with some degree of understanding of what is expected of them and coming from homes when education and schools are valued.

It doesn't seem to matter terribly how they have got to this happy state; via a good nursery, play group or socialsed at home, just that they are there!

fob · 16/02/2006 17:16

what happened to the days where you were petrified of your parents finding out if you misbehaved in school?
the kids who don't learn are the ones who are not afraid of their parents finding out what they get up to!
and whats with all this attitude towards adults at 11 years of age!

Blandmum · 16/02/2006 17:25

fob, your parents were obviously like mine!

If my db or I stepped out of line and were punished in school , the last thing that we would do was whinge to our parents....that would have been a near suicidal idea in our house

I had to give one of my little cherubs a 15 minute detention at lunch time for persistant rude and disruptive behaviour. (having first lied to me tat he couldn't stay as he had a DT with someone else at lunch) Little toad went home and told his mum I had kept him in all of break and all of lunch! Mum , of course, took him at hs word and phoned up in a state to complain about my 'cruel treatment'. Thankfully I could back up my statements

SleepyJess · 16/02/2006 17:30

In my experience of what primary teachers think about new-intakes of children (based on several primary/infant schools I have had close dealings with) I would say that teachers can generally/almost always tell the difference between a child who has been in some form of pre school education.. and one that hasn't.

Actual childcare (not re education but re childcare) and its effect on reception age children and how they respond to school, I have never heard discussed in any depth and I have spent a lot of time around teachers/in staff rooms in my capacity as school governor/parent helper/and now TA.

HTH
SJ x

bobbybobbobbingalong · 16/02/2006 17:32

As a music teacher I couldn't tell you whether they have been in full time childcare by the time they get to me - however you can tell the ones whose parents have spent time talking to them, and being interested in them.

I did teach a boy yesterday who only watches TV (and it's on all the time as background noise), goes to the Mall (again lots of noise) and goes to preschool 3 times a week. He found it really difficult to be in my lovely quiet music studio, and saw no reason to play anything. He just wanted me to entertain him, preferably loudly. He had no imagination, couldn't make a noise that sounded like another noise IYSWIM and kept telling me I was boring. At 3!

So my pet hate would be TV, not preschool.

fob · 16/02/2006 17:36

have had the same situation myself MB when a darling 11 year old told her mum i "picked" on her!
her mum phoned up and my pt was only to happy to share the fact that she had been"picked" on 13 other times in the past week by other teachers!
i could have swore i heard her say "i'll get my mum to sort you out"

ps - i am a brilliant teacher with a sparkling personality. i will do anything to keep the cherubs happy! ha ha

hercules · 16/02/2006 17:55

I love the line "all the teachers pick on me". Cant believe it when some parents believe it! Happened with a girl in my Tutor group who was always rude and backed up by her parents who always believed her. I remember giving her detention as she's been really rude to me when I asked her to stop doing homework during a silent reading time. Her parents were furious as they thought detention was too severe. I had to explain to them she originally only had a 10 minute detention which became a longer after school one after her saying she'd no intention of turning up for that one which she didnt.

It turns out that she gets picked on at college as well!

fob · 16/02/2006 17:57

poor wee soul!

Blandmum · 16/02/2006 17:59

One little cherub told me that I 'pick on him'. Funny that whenever I walk around the school I always see this boy standing outside the doors of other teachers as well.

We all decide in morning briefing who we are going to 'pick on' that day, obviously!

Watch out, this is turning into a jaded teachers thread

fob · 16/02/2006 18:05

naaaaah! we're not jaded!

my point is that we can be treated like a glorified child care service at times by these so called parents.

teachers need parents to be on thier side and all this indiscipline will stop!

we are here to teach the darlings, not bring them up!

Miaou · 16/02/2006 18:06

bobbybob, at the "boring" 3 yr old - is this the one whose mum wanted him taught the piano?

hercules · 16/02/2006 18:06

One boy in my new school always tells me I am very beautiful and his bestest teacher. I thought this was so lovely until one day I heard him saying the same to another teacher!

Blandmum · 16/02/2006 18:08

I had a consultation with the most wonderful mum not so long ago. She sat down and said, 'right, how do we sort out the problem and get X to behave?'

I could have kissed her! She restored my faith in human nature

fob · 16/02/2006 18:11

Yes, it is nice when you get the thanks from the parents for doing your best by their beloved!
I go back to work in 4 weeks time!
Scary biscuits!
Just in time for exam leave and the easter holidays! ;)

Freckle · 16/02/2006 18:17

I don't understand parents who constantly undermine the school by resisting any attempt at discipline of their little darlings. Do they honestly think that that attitude is going to help their child? Or are they genuinely blind to what is actually going on?

CoolTurkey · 16/02/2006 18:19

I am not a teacher but my kids went to nursery part-time from quite young. I would say that the only difference is that those at pre-school nursery often have more confidence and therefore may be a little out-spoken. This doesn't always go down well with the older teachers, who often interpret it as cheeky.

I don't think this confidence is a bad thing, they just need to learn a little decorum. When I started school I was far too painfully shy to assert myself in any way whatsoever, having had little experience of anyone other than my mother before starting school. I expect I was seen as a model, well-behaved child but it would have been better for me to have had a little more spirit.

Blandmum · 16/02/2006 18:25

In many cases they simply cannot believe that their child can do any wrong....in spite of evidence to the contrary.

A mate of mine was wrongly accused of head butting a child.....in fact the child head butted the teacher. The parents tore into school, demanded that the teacher was suspended, the poice were to be brought in etc etc. The head then showed the parents the statements of the other children in the class who totaly supported the teacher.

Did the parents appologise? did they hell!

mszebra · 16/02/2006 18:25

But hercules, you were the boy's BESTEST teacher at that exact moment (kids live for the moment, and all that).

CONFIDENCE: MBishop said they need confidence when they start school. Can you give me examples? DD lacks confidence & I don't know what to do to help her, but maybe she is confident about the "right" things?

Blandmum · 16/02/2006 18:27

confident enough really.

They don't need to be mega confident but just enough to ask to go to the loo etc , ask for help if needed

I'm not a primary teacher though, they could tell you more

bobbybobbobbingalong · 16/02/2006 19:13

miaou - the very same child yes.

popsycalindisguise · 16/02/2006 19:16
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