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Children in the front seat of cars

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yoyo · 24/01/2006 09:49

Is it illegal to have a child (not a baby in a rear facing car seat) under the age of ten in the front seat if there are seats available in the back? I am sure I have read something to this effect but cannot think where. Then again, it seems unlikely as so many parents allow it. If anyone has the definitive answer I'd be very grateful.

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Freckle · 24/01/2006 09:53

There is no law stating what age a child must be to travel in the front seat of a car. However, care must be taken not to put a child in the front if there is a passenger airbag.

The law is about to change and, from May 2006, it will be illegal for any child under the age of 11 to travel in a car without a child seat or booster.

That's going to cause ructions here as neither DS2 (10) nor DS3 (7) have used boosters for ages and I can't see them being happy about having to use them again. And I won't be happy at having to buy two more.

yoyo · 24/01/2006 09:57

I didn't know about the boosters; mine won't be happy either especially DD1.
Should you switch the airbag off for children in the front? I often take children for school events which is why I am interested.

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bundy · 24/01/2006 09:58

the law

bundy · 24/01/2006 09:59

(which is there to protect children, not necessarily make them happy)

LIZS · 24/01/2006 10:01

yes if you can disable the airbag , you should. It will become illegal to use a rear facing seat in front with an airbag from May too. Funnily nto yet seen much publciity about the changes and I'm sure many people are completely ignorant, particularly those whose kids have apparently "passed" the car seat phase (ie primary schoolers). Perhaps the govt needs ot target a camapign via schools to get the message across.

Janh · 24/01/2006 10:02

A child under about 12 carried in the front seat could be killed by an airbag - it's to do with relative size of head and weakness of neck - so the airbag should be switched off if possible. Failing that push the front seat as far back as it will go.

(Airbags deploy at about 200mph )

Freckle · 24/01/2006 10:04

That website doesn't say anything about boosters though, just child restraints if available, otherwise an adult seatbelt - which is what we do now.

Janh · 24/01/2006 10:05

Freckle, the law as given in bundy's link says a child restraint must be worn (???) "IF AVAILABLE.
If not, an adult seat belt MUST be worn."

It doesn't say a restraint is compulsory?

Janh · 24/01/2006 10:05

Xposts!

Janh · 24/01/2006 10:06

Ah - latest news page says "The law on using child restraints in cars is going to change. By May 2006, the law will require children travelling in cars to use child restraints."

Clear as mud.

yoyo · 24/01/2006 10:08

Bundy - thanks for that link. Am going to print it out. With three children under the age of 11 it will be quite difficult to fit two boosters and a child seat in the back of our car. I will have to look around for some narrow ones.

I wonder what schools will do as so many parents take children to sports, etc.?

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Freckle · 24/01/2006 10:08

Quite. And what, exactly, is a child restraint?? Makes it sound like a straitjacket.

Lonelymum · 24/01/2006 10:10

Are you kidding Freckle? In 4 months time I am going to have to buy booster seats for my dss aged 9 and 8?

yoyo · 24/01/2006 10:12

Just read the posts again and am now wondering about the boosters too.

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Freckle · 24/01/2006 10:13

That's what it says here . Maybe Mothercare are just trying to boost (sorry for the pun) business.

yoyo · 24/01/2006 10:14

Am going to contact the police for advice. I will post if they can clarify anything.

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serenity · 24/01/2006 10:16

There was a really good link last year to a site that explained it all clearly - I printed it off for our toddler group. Let me have a search and I'll see if I can find it...

yoyo · 24/01/2006 10:16

Highback booster seats? I will never get three in the back of my car! I assume that is because they guide the adult seatbelt unlike the ordinary booster seat.

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vicimelly · 24/01/2006 10:17

What happens in taxi's then? I don't drive and use taxi's a lot and belt dd in using the adult seatbelt, would I need to start carrying a child seat around with me???

Lonelymum · 24/01/2006 10:18

Oh no. Once dh gets wind of this, there will be a mass buying of booster seats in our household.

I am astonished though that I have only heard of this by chance here. Why isn't this being broadcast more widely?

jessicaandrebeccasmummy · 24/01/2006 10:20

vici - the original link says taxis are excluded

vicimelly · 24/01/2006 10:21

Thanks jarm, I didn't read it through properly!

serenity · 24/01/2006 10:32

OK this is a few bits from the directive

In summary, the new Directive requires the following changes to be made to the seat belt wearing or construction and use regulations:
all children under 3 years old must use an appropriate child restraint when travelling in a car or goods vehicle and may not travel unrestrained unless an appropriate child restraint is unavailable in a taxi;

children aged 3 or more years old and up to 150 cms (approximately 4 feet 11 inches) in height must use a child restraint appropriate to their size when travelling in cars or goods vehicles fitted with seat belts. Some exceptions are permitted. In vehicles not fitted with safety systems they may not travel in the front;
rear-facing baby seats must not be used in a seat protected by an active frontal air-bag;

all child restraints in use must conform to UN-ECE Regulation 44/03 or Directive 77/541/EEC requirements, or any subsequently agreed standards;
and all occupants of cars and goods vehicles must use seat belts, where provided while seated and the vehicle is in motion, and the number of people carried in such vehicles may not exceed the number of seats available fitted with seat belts or child restraints

these are some exemptions - most importantly for when you have three or more children

The Directive gives Member States the option to reduce the 150 cms height threshold (above which children can use adult seat belts) to 135 cms (roughly 4ft 5 inches). It also provides an option to allow all children to travel without child restraints in the rear of taxis if restraints are not available.
The Department considers that the amending regulations should provide for the exemptions permitted under the Directive. These recognise some of the practical difficulties that arise from the requirement to use child restraints. Therefore we propose that from 9 May 2006, all children aged 3 and over and up to 135 cms in height when travelling in cars and goods vehicles must use an appropriate child restraint except in the following circumstances:

when travelling in a licensed taxi or private hire vehicle being used to carry passengers for hire and an appropriate child restraint is not available, providing they do not occupy a front seat;

when a third child is being carried and two child restraints are already fitted in the back of a car or light van and lack of space prevents the fitting of a third child restraint. In such circumstance the third child must use an adult seat belt in the rear of the vehicle;

and when no child restraint or an insufficient number are available, an adult seat belt may be used in the rear of cars and light vans on occasional journeys over a short distance.

You can read it in full here

Freckle · 24/01/2006 10:37

I found this on the Department of Transport's website:

children aged 3 or more years old and up to 135 cms (approx 4 ft 5 inches) in height must use an appropriate child restraint when travelling in cars or goods vehicles fitted with seat belts (few exceptions are permitted);

This is slightly different from what Mothercare says. DS3 (7) is already almost 135cm tall, so I think we might get away without buying more seats and dealing with temper tantrums (he might be tall but he's still immature ).

Not sure what they mean by appropriate child restraint though. It's not clarified.

serenity · 24/01/2006 10:39

If you go through to the link below it has a table showing what is appropriate for each age

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