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Can you be a Vegetarian without being a PITA?

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charlietherednosedpussy · 13/12/2005 21:43

I am a vegetarian and I dont object to my food being cooked in or near meat. If someones threw a sausage on my plate I will discreetly throw it onto dps plate for him to eat.
If I go to someones house for dinner I will take my own stuff to pop in the oven to save the hassle of them looking for something.
I will cook a bacon sarnie and serve it without saying OINK.
I dont think im a PITA but veggies seem to be getting really bad press on MN at the moment.
Am I ? ...Are you?

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PantomimEDAMe · 18/12/2005 12:00

Eulalia, there wouldn't be so many starving people if we all gave up meat. Rearing animals for meat uses up a lot of land. If we used that land to grow crops, we'd have more food. That's a very basic way of putting it, but it is essentially the case.

WigWamBam · 18/12/2005 14:03

It also takes something like 4 kg of grain to produce 1kg of meat, and 3kg of grain to produce every 1kg of eggs. Grain that could be used to feed a lot more people than the meat it produces could feed.

Eulalia · 18/12/2005 17:25

Hmmm... you've got me thinking now. I want to find out more about this ( I should be wrapping presents!) Actually there is plenty of food in the world as we all know its just not distributed properly and of course it's more to do with corrupt regimes etc etc....

Traditional hunter/gatherer societies tended to hunt meat. I mean the animals are just there anyway so why not eat them (less work than farming crops) although of course I realise that is different from rearing animals purely for food which is what we do now.

Eulalia · 18/12/2005 17:42

Yes you are right WigWamBam - I found this:

www.ciwf.org.uk/home/news2.shtml

CIWF calls for 15% reduction in meat consumption
Why eat less meat?
The simple answer to the question ?why eat less meat?? is that we?re eating too much already ? too much for our own good, for the long-term sustainability of the planet ? and for animal welfare.

Background
Globally, meat consumption is increasing at a phenomenal rate. In the last 40 years, consumption has grown from 56 to 89 kilos of meat per person, per year in Europe and from 89 to 124 kilos in the US. Forty years ago, the Chinese were eating only 4 kilos of meat pp/pa ? that figure has now reached 54 kilos and is still rising.

This global increase is a huge threat to us all.

Human health
Meat, meat products and dairy foods make up the greatest percentage of saturated fat in the average ?western? diet, contributing significantly to the huge increases in obesity, adult onset diabetes, heart disease and certain cancers. One of the world?s leading nutritionists, Professor Walter Willett, of Harvard School of Public Health, lists the adverse health effects of high meat consumption (particularly red meat): ?higher rates of several important cancers ?heart disease and type 2 diabetes.?

Feeding the world
The majority of farm animals globally are fed on imported soya and cereals ? globally between a third and a half of the world?s harvest is fed to animals. Yet much of the nutritional value of the feed is lost in its ?conversion? to meat. It takes 10 kilos of feed to produce 1 kilo of beef, 5 kilos for a kilo of pork.

In a world of increasing water scarcity, we know that it takes 100,000 litres of water to produce a kilo of beef, yet only 900 litres to produce a kilo of wheat.

Environmental damage
Farm animals produce 13 billion tonnes of waste every year. Liquid effluent from factory farms often pollutes soils and rivers, gaseous wastes like methane and carbon dioxide contribute to global warming.

Animal welfare
Whilst in the UK and EU we have made great strides in phasing out some of the worst factory farming systems, globally, factory farming is increasing rapidly to meet the growing demand for meat. In the US, most meat is from highly intensive systems. Agribusiness companies from the US, Canada and Europe are investing in pig and chicken factory farms in countries like China. So the global burden of farm animal suffering is on the increase.
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Actually I don't know if its just the case that we eat too much meat. I mean the American habit of having 1 pound steaks is pretty gross. dh and I do eat meat but a very small quantity and not every day.

monkeytrousers · 18/12/2005 18:14

what's a pita FGS????

monkeytrousers · 18/12/2005 18:14

A pitta??

Blandmum · 18/12/2005 18:16

pain in the arse

noddyholder · 18/12/2005 18:33

can you be a pita without being a vegetarian though?

Blandmum · 18/12/2005 18:35

Oh yes, but being a veggie gives those people who would be a PITA anyway more scope don't you think?

harpsiheraldangelssing · 18/12/2005 18:36

yes I am an omnivore and a great big PITA
in fact I am sure I am a match for any veggie in the PITA stakes cos I clearly have more energy as not severely malnourished

WigWamBam · 18/12/2005 19:05

"Severely malnourished"?

WickedWinterWitch · 18/12/2005 19:12

It is perfectly possible to be a vegetarian and have a balanced diet. Even some life insurance companies accept this.

monkeytrousers · 18/12/2005 19:16

Hitler was a PITA
Hitler was a vegetarian
therefore all vegetarians are Hilter

RudolphsAuntMabel · 18/12/2005 19:21

PMSL monkey

WigWamBam · 18/12/2005 19:22

Ah, my moustache isn't that bad ...

PantomimEDAMe · 18/12/2005 19:32

Stalin ate meat. Mussolini ate meat. Pol Pot ate meat. Franco ate meat. Think the meat-eaters are winning on the evil dictator front, as it happens (and Hitler wasn't veggie anyway, actually).

bossykate · 18/12/2005 19:33

can i say how much i dislike being referred to as a "meat-eater" or "carnivore" - i'm an omnivore thanks.

monkeytrousers · 18/12/2005 19:34

I'm a veggie too you dutchcheeseeatingsurrenderpantohorse

RudolphsAuntMabel · 18/12/2005 19:37

I'm an omnivore too, but thinking about it, as I only eat chicken and bacon couldn't I be classed as a veggie??

RudolphsAuntMabel · 18/12/2005 19:37

(I eat fruit and veg etc as well obviously)

philippat · 18/12/2005 19:39

i do just wish there was a clear-cut definition of being a vegetarian, then it would be so much easier.

It's when you slave over something special and vegetarian (having spent twice as long shopping checking every label) and then you watch them finish off your dd's jelly for pud and you wonder why you bothered.

Or alternatively you plonk them in front of the tv with your real ale collection and a bottle opener while you finish in the kitchen and they produce a book they use to look up which ones they can drink.

either one of those are pita, and simply because they define the word so differently.

sis · 18/12/2005 20:55

Philippat, some of the ready made jellies are vegetarian (someone please tell me if they are not!) so ds has the Asdas and Rowntrees ones and the ingredients do not mention anything I recognise as being from an animal.

PranSerahndDancer · 18/12/2005 21:05

Clear labelling would make it so much easier - the tradtional V for vegetarian in its purest sense, and a side of beef for things that aren't.

Sadly, life is never that simple. I honestly don't think I'd be pissed off if a guest that I'd prepared a vegetarian meal for then scoffed a spoonful of jelly. Should I have them burned as a vegetarian-heretic or simply smite them?

I think people who choose not to eat meat, but perhaps eat fish/products containing gellatin/wear leather shoes take far too much flack. At least an effort to assert a principle has been made. Those that eat chicken should admit they are omnivores that don't like beef and be done with it.

(Not picking on your post Phillipat - it just reminded me of a particular bugbear I have )

philippat · 18/12/2005 21:44

I guess it depends on your reason for vegetarianism, really, and then it is just so complicated to go into it all whenever you visit for food, isn't it?

Personally can't understand why people won't eat beef/wear leather but will happily drink milk, and actually the easiest dinner guest I have had was a strict vegan - at least I knew where I stood!

PranSerahndDancer · 18/12/2005 22:04

lol

Yes, you are right. I know most of my vegetarian friend's foibles by now which makes it easy. I also find it easier to prepare a vegetarian dish for everyone rather than seperate things (christmas dinner aside - vegetarians are banned ). I'm sure I could rustle up something, but I would struggle with a vegan I think.

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