what relation?

[foundintranslation]

just curious - sil's sister had a little girl (Emma Edith Matgarete) today - is she related to my ds, and if so how? (sil is dh's brother's wife)

Don't think the mother is related to you let alone your children.

relation by marriage though? (ds as dh's child)

No, as the sil's sister isn't related to your DH, even by marriage.

No, I wouldn't have thought so - your sil is related to them by marriage but her sister isn't.

No relation at all IMO

thanks.
I had an idea she might be his second cousin (cousins' cousin). What is a second cousin then?

If you are first cousins, you have a grandmother in common. Your mother's sister's kid is your cousin.

If you are second cousins, you have a great-grandmother in common. Your granmother's sister's grandson is your second cousin.

aaahhhhh, now I get it nqc.
so no relation - but hopefully good (play)mates all the same

A second cousin is your parent's cousin. Thats the way I have been told anyway.

OK - what is a first cousin once removed......

Notquitecockney - I had to read your post about 5 times untill I got it!

What is my cousin's child? Second cousin, or first cousin once removed?

aren't they the same thing?

Cousin's child is second cousin and first cousin once removed means the same thing I think!!!

First cousin once removed. The number of 'removals' is the number of generation changes. Your cousins child is a different generation from yours.

I thought they might be the same thing, but someone once went into a complicated explanation during which I lost the will to live and switched off. Wish I'd listened now!

tsk tsk you lot...

Generation 0: husband and wife.
Geneation 1: their children
Gen'n 2: grandchildren (who are first cousins to each other)

Gen'n 3: great-grandchildren (who are 2nd cousins to each other)

Gen'n 4: great-great-grandchildren (who are 3rd cousins to each other... I think The Queen & Prince Philip are 3rd cousins to each other, as Queen Vic was both their GG-grandmother)

1st cousin once removed is my first cousin's child (so one step removed from my first cousin).

The relationship is reciprical, so my mother's first cousin (Bobbie) is my first cousin once removed, and I am also Bobbie's first cousin once removed.

...Says she who has a hidiously large extended family, & does a lot of family history research.

Back to Foundintranslation, No recognised relation in English tradition (as described above), but would be in other cultures (Indian, for instance).

NQC is right about 1st and second cousins.

The "once removed" thing is for stepping up or down a generation.

So, my cousin's child is my first cousin, once removed.

I think!

dunno really either, kama, just assumed.

But I think once you are married your husbands relation become yours and vice versa too don't they? ie your husbands brother is your brother and your husbands sister in law is your sister in law - maybe I am wrong.

Your dh's brother is definitely your bil not your brother.
I thought that extended to marriage partners though (and their children - i.e. dh's niece and nephew are mine too).

OK, so is a second cousin a first cousin once removed? And if not, what is it?

I think your child's second cousin is your first cousin once removed IYSWIM Caligula.

Ah. So my cousin's children are my first cousins once removed and my children's second cousins.

Think I've got it now!