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Organ donation, opt in, or opt out?

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misdee · 27/08/2005 23:50

opt out.

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Donbean · 28/08/2005 12:52

No matter what happens, opt in or opt out, if any person related to that person says that they are unhappy about donation going ahead, the organs WILL NOT BE TAKEN.
End of.
Bad press you see.

pacinofan · 28/08/2005 13:47

Well, I must be the only one here to say OPT IN, definitely. It is not for the government to 'assume' I wish to donate my organs once dead. By opting in, it is clear that you have made an active decision to donate. Also, no system is completely foolproof and the repurcussions of 'assuming' consent could be devastating.

Gobbledigook · 28/08/2005 13:51

I think I agree with pacinofan about opting in, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with the assumption that your organs will just be taken as a matter of course on death - I think it's better to approach it from the 'keep awareness high' perspective to ensure that those who do want to donate don't forget to make that wish known.

I don't know - does anything ever get sent out in the post - mailshots that you can fill and send back in a freepost envelope to put yourself on the register? Or an exhibition stand in the entrance to Tesco where people can stop and discuss it and take a form away or sign up there and then.

TV is great but people can still walk away to make a brew, put the washing on, go to bed with good intentions to 'do it tomorrow' but actually never get round to it. It's needs to be in the spotlight and it's needs to be accessible and easy to do.

Gobbledigook · 28/08/2005 13:54

Oh, just seen on the UK transplant website that they are doing mailshots from July with the EHIC - not had anything here yet.

misdee · 28/08/2005 13:55

i dont know how easily accessable the forms are in normal day to day life, but i see them daily. but then , not everyone spends most days in a transplant unit.

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Pruni · 28/08/2005 13:56

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Heathcliffscathy · 28/08/2005 13:59

definitely think opt out. but also believe that it should be the next of kin's decision. on losing a family member, if for some reason organ donation would cause further distress to them, I don't think that's fair. having said that i wonder if there is some way of ensuring that for eg couples discuss their feelings about donation, so that there is no surprise and the donors wishes are honoured....

misdee · 28/08/2005 14:04

if it was opt out, maybe peter would've had his transplant sooner. and we wouldnt be waiting for him to go back on the list and then wait again for a suitable heart. maybe then my husband would've been at home with me on his birthday and or wedding anniversary.

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chonky · 28/08/2005 14:10

opt out

weesaidie · 28/08/2005 14:11

Opt out. And no family or next of kin say. Sorry but the idea that they would stop others from getting my organs (and maybe saving a life ot two) infuriates me. Luckily my family are very much for organ donation.

And nobody would 'assume' they could take your organs if you took a moment to opt out.

lemonice · 28/08/2005 14:14

Perhaps when you register with a gp at any time after the age of 18 then part of the registration process could include registering for organ donation and at that time discuss with your next of kin and have their consent taken at that time.

naughtynaughtynoonoo · 28/08/2005 14:18

i think opt in surely the reason that lots of people dont sign up for organ donation is that theyre not really fully aware of how it works and why its so needed. by having making people be automaticaly on the list means theres a big risk of those who for whatever reason dont want their organs donated not being aware of having to take themselves off the list.

misdee · 28/08/2005 14:20

but if it was opt out then people who didnt want their organs taken would register to say no. so many people mean to register and dont.

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noddyholder · 28/08/2005 14:22

I don't want to start a big to do but what are peoples reasons for not wanting to donate?And does this also mean that if one of your children needed an organ you would refuse it?

misdee · 28/08/2005 14:22

the reason people dont sign up is that they dont get rtound to it.

BBC DoNation survey reveals UK are happy to donate their organs but are keeping it to themselves!
A BBC survey for its DoNation season has revealed that a massive 90% of UK adults are in favour of organ donation. But, an astonishing 51% said they had never even discussed this important subject with those close to them. DoNation, from Monday 22 to Saturday 27 August, aims to get this subject out of the closet once and for all.

The survey uncovered further surprising information about the UK?s attitude towards organ donation and transplantation... Most people vastly over-estimated the number of organ transplants carried out last year with a third believing it to be 7,708 which is, in fact, the number of people in the UK who need a transplant (data from UK Transplant, May 2005). Due to a shortage of donors only 2,724 organ transplants were carried out last year. But, two out of three people questioned said that they would accept an animal?s organ if their life depended on it and if it was medically possible.

The survey asked why people hadn?t joined the NHS Organ Donor Register and almost half (45%) said they hadn?t really thought about it. A third (30%) of respondents wanted to but hadn?t got round to it; and 13% said they?d like to sign up but didn?t know how.

Of the one in ten who did not wish to donate their organs, the survey highlighted various misconceptions:

Over half said that they didn?t want their body to be experimented on after their death
A third believed they were too old or unwell for their organs to be of any use
A fifth were concerned that doctors wouldn?t fight as hard to save them if they knew they wished to be a donor, or feared that they might not really be dead if and when the decision is made to take their organs
A quarter felt it would be tempting fate if they now made the decision to join the register
In fact, all these concerns are incorrect and unfounded but it does show that there are inaccuracies in people?s perception of what organ donation involves.

Professor Robert Winston, who presents some of the programming, commented: ?DoNation aims to address these issues so that people are able to make a properly informed decision about whether to join the Organ Donor Register . It?s not easy to get people to address their own mortality but statistically we are more likely to need a transplant than to donate an organ so I hope this season will get more people thinking and talking about this important subject.?

There is a startling lack of knowledge about the human body amongst some people as 17% did not know that the cornea is found in the eye. And a quarter didn?t know what the kidneys do - 3% believe this vital organ helps improve a person?s sex drive!

Six out of ten respondents believe there should be a change in the law to an opt-out system. This would mean that everyone in the UK is automatically considered a potential donor unless they have specifically registered that they do not wish to be.

Read more about the opt in/opt out debate

When asked about their own organs, over half (54%) of those questioned said they were most concerned about their heart. The lungs were the main worry for one in six. Of these, unsurprisingly, over half were smokers but - in what might be a growing sign of the times - just over one in 10 expressed concerns about the effect of pollution on their lungs.

DoNation on the BBC aims to raise awareness by explaining the facts and dispelling the myths about organ donation and transplantation. It aims to enable people to make an informed decision about whether they wish to donate their organs in the event of their death and highlight the importance of making family and friends aware of this decision. For those who would like further information or decide they would like to add their name to the NHS Organ Donor Register, the BBC is providing a variety of routes, via phone - 0800 068 8456, web ? bbc.co.uk/donation , and interactive red button.

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lemonice · 28/08/2005 14:24

I think it could work well as part of the gp registration process for babies too, it could be sorted at their six week check.

expatinscotland · 28/08/2005 14:24

Opt in. I feel my body is mine and not the government's to assume ANYTHING unless I expressly give consent.

naughtynaughtynoonoo · 28/08/2005 14:24

but what if they were ignorant of the fact they had to opt out themselves. lots of people dont opt in now due to ignorance and not really knowing enough about it, so therse nothing to say the reverse couldnt happen

i think the thing is to educate people better as to why they should opt in and how to do it

misdee · 28/08/2005 14:26

if it became the norm for assumed consent on organ transplants, i think people would be aware that they had to sign to say no.

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lemonice · 28/08/2005 14:29

I'm sure that most religious faiths allow for receiving organs and donating them, too, apart from those who don't allow blood transfusions, is that true?

misdee · 28/08/2005 14:29

my parents say the tranplants are up to the individual, they are jehovah witnesses.

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Gillian76 · 28/08/2005 14:34

I have carried a donor card since I was 16 and would encourage everyone to do the same. but I have to say opt in.

I feel, as expat says, our bodies are not state property.

misdee · 28/08/2005 14:37

this is going to sound awful, but a body is just a bunch of cells. once you're dead you cant take it with you. donating organs can help some very sick people, who without transplants are condemn to death.

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weesaidie · 28/08/2005 14:37

Opt out then.

weesaidie · 28/08/2005 14:38

Totally agree misdee.

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