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Tearoom 25 - Benvenute a Venezia!

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thumbwitch · 08/04/2011 00:28

YOu find us this time in a glorious palazzo in Venice, near to St. Mark's square, and on the water. With gondolas and vaporetti in abundance to transport us around to the various sights etc.

The palazzo itself of course has marble floors and fabulous murano chandeliers but aside of that we have the usual distressed chintz comfy sofas, assorted animals, bishops in their corner, priesthole for emergencies and a single solitary aspidistra in a bomb-proof glass cage to protect it from the ravages of a certain Canadian.

All are welcome - drop by for a cuppa, a glass of something stronger and a chat and relax in the safe and kind surroundings here.

Cin cin! Wine

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ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/04/2011 22:53

I still dance like that

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AgentSecrete · 15/04/2011 22:53

I know we're only just getting started but I too am going to have to take my much-larger-than-in-Barcelona-days ass off to bed. There just aren't enough hours in the day.

Goodnight Maud and lovely ladies all.

AgentSecrete · 15/04/2011 22:55

oooh Queen! yeah yeah. But still goodnight. MrS is giving me evils. Every night I say I'm going to go to bed early tonight. It's always a lie. I'm always knackered the next day. Agh.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/04/2011 22:57

Good night, Secret! I'm still a wrinkly disco dolly at heart. We must have another disco soon.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/04/2011 23:06
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UniS · 15/04/2011 23:33

I WAS not harassing mellors in a sexual fashion, I just wanted to see him don floor duster slippers and skate naked....

UniS · 15/04/2011 23:37

Good disco. happily it will still be here tomorrow when I scroll down.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · 15/04/2011 23:37

Oh silly me for misunderstanding, UniS.

Catitainahatita · 16/04/2011 01:49

Oh yes, I noticed how fit JBJ was under all that hair. Big crush there.
Ah Barcelona; I haven't been back since 1998, which seems lika another life. I went to Valencia for a conference in 2005 but they speak wierd Valencian and my Catalan did not cut it. I just got nostalgic.At least until I fell into a diabetic coma that is. After ten days in hospital in Madrid I so wanted to go back to Mexico.

thumbbunny · 16/04/2011 02:08

just popping in to show off Easter namechange, so as to avoid later confusion Grin

amberlight · 16/04/2011 08:46

'Morning all!

::leaves large cooked breakfast/selection of Venetian breakfast goodies on the side::

(UnSerp, on average only 1 out of every nearly 200 churches will make it possible for me to attend one of their services. Easy to prove with a visit to AChurchNearYou website (googlable) where one can amuse oneself by asking to 'find churches' that are autism friendly by ticking that box. Out of 16,000 I think we're up to the heady number of 84 for the whole country. Generally if I contact any of them ones that aren't ticked, I never hear back from them. Some respond with hate mail or active exclusion, which makes it more interesting. Guess whose job it is to get the number to 16,000 and what the odds of that are ever going to be if I'm not even allowed in to show that I'm not actually a monster...sheesh. Some churches and church leaders are of course excellent.)

thumbbunny · 16/04/2011 11:47

Amber - some respond with hatemail? church types? that's disgusting, honestly. Hyprocritical of course but utterly disgusting. Shock and Angry for you.

Hope it went well, btw and you weren't suddenly "unmasked"! Wink

MaryBS · 16/04/2011 12:05

Admittedly, I'm the administrator for our church's "a church near you" entry, and I haven't ticked the autism friendly box, because we aren't there yet, although if anyone did contact me, I'd do my level best to ensure they were welcomed and their needs were met...

amberlight · 16/04/2011 12:32

Oh yes, some of it has been very, er, exciting, especially when I got banned from a church group for Being Autistic and Asking for Help for Being Bullied Because of It Confused At least the church leaders stepped in a bit with that one. Mostly I just get totally blanked.

MaryBS · 16/04/2011 14:29

. Seriously though, its just what Jesus was on about when he had a go at the Pharisees for being judgie-pants, and I have every sympathy for what you've been through. Am Angry that they were so shit awful to you!

Tee2072 · 16/04/2011 17:49

Okay I am totally shocked that churches send hate mail. But then I don't know much about churches.

Scout19075 · 16/04/2011 19:29

Having gone through Catholic schools all my life I'd like to say I'm surprised churches exclude people but honestly I'm not. It is very Angry-inducing though. How did your visit go today, amber?

Good day with MrScout and Toddler. MrScout suggested we go to one of the playgrounds in a neighboring village and get Toddler an ice cream and swing. TS loved running around and swinging and playing on different things and kicking his ball around but wanted nothing to do with his lovely ice cream. Mommy had to eat it. Hmm What toddler doesn't want ice cream?!

amberlight · 16/04/2011 19:50

It went well. But part of me is sad that I have to hide in order to go to other churches and I'm not allowed to speak to people I know in case others realise it's me and start targeting me again. It doesn't seem very fair somehow.

UnSerpentQuiCourt · 16/04/2011 20:34

Amber, this is probably something you don't want to discuss here, but how can being autistic have anything to do with attending church? Am I missing something?

OmShantiJacks · 16/04/2011 20:54

UnSerpent, if you're missing it, so am I Confused - and it sounds like something I could easily get outraged about on Amber's and anyone's behalf.

Scout19075 · 16/04/2011 21:53
AgentSecrete · 16/04/2011 22:49

Am joining in the general Angry Sad Shock re churches actively excluding people with autism, or sending hate mail. Sorry about the emoticon overload. Like Serpent and OmJM, am in the dark as to why they should do this but I suppose you get horrible bullies in the church just like anywhere else.

In fact, we know quite a lot of stuff that was never, ever sanctioned by Jesus goes on in churches, certainly has in the past. A friend of miine was telling me last week about how she had found out some years down the line that a "cool" young priest from her parish was exposed as a paedophile, and that the response was merely that he was sent to another diocese at the other end of the country, presumably to carry on ruining young people's lives. Interesting what you said too, Scout, about sadly not being surprised.

Not meant to be a church bashing moment - I am very aware that injustice and abuse of power and bullying are sadly universal and can flourish in just about any environment, and atheists can be just as hypocritical and wrong as these un-Christian Christians - and am aware that many churches do a lot of good - but it is still always heartbreaking that these things that shouldn't go on in places/institutions that should be a kind of sanctuary, particularly for the most vulnerable, nonetheless do.

But it is a fact of life, very unfortunately - I used to be terribly idealistic about how everyone and everything was capable of redemption and transformation, but nowadays am not so sure. Still fairly idealistic, but I do think that some people/situations are genuinely beyond the point of turning around - for the foreseeable future, anyway - and that it is better be aware of quite how bad some people are/can be, and respond accordingly, rather than trying to see the good in them and wanting to connect that way. And that includes people who are not obviously dangerous or evil, people who believe themselves to be basically good and present themselves as such - but who nonetheless are capable of hurting others with great cruelty.

I don't mean by that that I'm advocating giving up on trying to right wrongs, btw; but more accepting what you're up against and directing your energy where it can actually make a difference - and doing what you can to protect yourself from those who you shouldn't need to protect yourself from, but do. That's my take on it anyway.

Theory-expounding aside, I am genuinely sorry that you have had/have these experiences Amber: as someone who merely wishes to participate in the community of church and as a committed Christian (I think you are, is that right?) it must be very upsetting for you to encounter this discrimination and bullying.

Catita, you are also in my thoughts, after what you wrote about the situation where you live. It must be horrific to be living under that threat the whole time and I'm wishing you and your family a safe and speedy exit from there. Would you ever consider moving back to the UK? Or is that just not feasible for MrH workwise?

Now for a little something uplifting - time for the divine Ella Fitzgerald to take us - and thanks for the Bazza, Scout! A veritable tune-meister, that man...

Scout19075 · 16/04/2011 22:49

I normally stay clear of AIBU and read ones which I think will be a bit light-hearted but have just read one that's made my blood pressure rise. ARGH! Tell me to stay away!

Just checked on TS. He's so peaceful. Hard to believe a few short hours ago he was wailing at me so hard there were tears.

Well, ladies, I'm off to bed. G'night!

Scout19075 · 16/04/2011 22:55

Ohhh, good one Secrete. Was always partial to Barry -- when I was about three I was going to marry him. Good thing I didn't hold on to that long!

Did you hear on the news about the priest sex scandel in the US a few weeks back? 'Twas my home Diocese and have since learned one of the accused had been one of the much loved priests while I was at the elementary school. While I was in school another priest was taken away and boxes carted out -- don't think he ever touched anyone but he liked the pictures. It's scary because I come from a little parish within a tight-knit community.

AgentSecrete · 16/04/2011 23:05

Step away from the AIBU thread, Scout! You know no good will come of it!! Smile

No, I didn't hear about that one, but how horrible for you. It's such a betrayal of the trust of the whole community.

Awww at your love for Barry! Never felt that way myself -but always had a sneaking fondness for his music, even when was at my punkiest and it had to be in a totally ironic way!

G'night Scout!

Oh, and Catita - power to you and your JBJ crush!! but so much fitter without the poodle perm..... Must go and listen to Livin On a Prayer again, just lurve that anthem!

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