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MySillyCoralDog · 2025-02-23T14:52:04+00:00

Hi ! My little one goes to the nursery . we fall under the category of working parents funded hours (15h). the bill has been astronomic since ever and I noticed the below written on all invoices which suggest that the funding hasn't been applied : U2s/WP-EYFunding/15hrs applied TT-wkly/Ext *_Early Years Funding £0.00_* Is this right? Has it happened to anyone else? I have already enquired the nursery head office and I am waiting for clarification, just wanted a bit of extra information :)

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ThatThisThatYou · 23/02/2025 14:59

What does the rest of your invoice show?
It looks to me that they are showing the funded hours as a zero charge.

Daisytails · 23/02/2025 17:13

On invoices, settings have to show funded hours at zero amount as funding is used too for those hours (not taking into consideration extra charges, additional hours etc)

Nannalife · 23/02/2025 18:38

A BIT OF SUNDAY FUN!! How’s this for a totally madcap scenario that would never happen in a million years …
· Government decides every child under 5 is entitled to 15 (or 30) FREE portions of bread, milk, fruit & veg per week, from all supermarkets, large and small.
· Supermarkets aren't consulted about this and feel backed into a contract written by the local authority. Each LA can edit the contract as they wish.
· Government tells parents this food is all freeeeee! They don’t explain that it’s only for 38 weeks of the year, or that for the other 14 weeks they get nothing.
· Parents apply for a code to get the free food, but supermarkets unexpectedly find themselves burdened with all the admin of checking codes are valid, chasing parents for forms and claiming the funds. No financial assistance is provided to the supermarkets for the extra costs incurred by this work.
· Supermarkets have to stretch the 38 weeks of 15 (or 30) portions across the year, making 11 (or 22) portions per week. Parents don’t understand this and bombard the supermarkets with emails demanding to know why little Cordelia is only getting 11 free portions when she should be getting 15.
· Government pays £1 of funding per portion for the free food, knowing full well it doesn’t cover the cost. Tesco, Morrisons and Sainsburys say it will cost them £2 per portion to deliver the entitlement and ask for an increase in the funding. Government ignores the supermarkets and continues to underfund the scheme, expecting the supermarkets to absorb the shortfall out of their own pockets.
· Supermarkets decide they must charge the parents the £1 per portion difference, a bit like a top-up.
· Government tells the supermarkets they’re not allowed to charge a top-up, and that any charge has to be voluntary for the parent.
· Supermarkets change the amount they charge to £1.20 per portion to avoid it being a top-up, and call it ‘ingredient supplement’.
· Parents bombard the supermarkets with complaints about the £1.20 charge, demanding it should be free. Some parents report the supermarkets to government bodies.
· Supermarkets are forced to invent ridiculous rules for parents who don’t want to pay the ingredient supplement. Some parents try to sue supermarkets claiming their rules are illegal.
· Supermarkets have now become despised across the nation as money-grabbers.
· Checkouts apply the funding as parents pay for their shopping. Some parents don’t want the bread, so they demand a reduction in the amount they have to pay. Some parents don’t want their children to have the free cow’s milk, and insist on having free oat milk instead. The supermarkets tell the parents the oat milk isn’t free. The parents report the supermarkets to the government for being non-inclusive.
· Some parents demand to see the full P&L accounts of supermarkets to check they are not making profits. When supermarkets increase their prices, some parents demand a breakdown of how the supermarkets have worked out their increases. Supermarket admin departments spend hours dealing with queries and complaints.
· Some parents band together to create nasty social media groups to lambast the supermarkets. One in particular, called ‘Pregnant Then Starved’, operates under the belief that they are entitled to have their kids fed for free by money-grabbing supermarkets.
· The Prime Minister himself publicly labels supermarkets as ‘rip-off merchants’, further exacerbating the government-induced rift between parents and stores.
· Government attempts to squeeze supermarkets out of business by dictating how they operate (eg they are not allowed to sell bread, fruit or milk for more than 10 hours per day), along with huge hikes in employment costs.
· Government ultimately wants all food to be provided by state-run institutions. Some of these are already busy undercutting the supermarkets with full backing of the government.
· Many small supermarkets and convenience stores go bust, unable to meet the costs imposed by this scheme. Some close out of sheer exhaustion and disillusionment.
· Government is delighted about the monster it has created, as it sees its master plan coming together…
Please write your own crazy continuation and/or ending…😆

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MySillyCoralDog · 23/02/2025 20:38

ThatThisThatYou · 23/02/2025 14:59

What does the rest of your invoice show?
It looks to me that they are showing the funded hours as a zero charge.

Hi !
So has the total of 17 sessions ( march) with the cost

Followed by U2s/WP-EYFunding/15hrs applied TT-wkly/Ext

Early Years Funding £0.00

And then the essentials charge like nappies and food.

Thanks in advance 🙂

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MySillyCoralDog · 23/02/2025 20:39

Daisytails · 23/02/2025 17:13

On invoices, settings have to show funded hours at zero amount as funding is used too for those hours (not taking into consideration extra charges, additional hours etc)

So it is correct ?
Thanks!

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FrannyScraps · 23/02/2025 20:47

MySillyCoralDog · 23/02/2025 20:39

So it is correct ?
Thanks!

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Well you tell us.

Has the invoices always looked like this? Or has it suddenly changed?

Is 17 sessions the full amount of sessions that your child does?

Is the cost of the 17 sessions the full price they charge?

Does the total on the invoice equal the cost of the 17 sessions plus the nappies etc?

I feel like you're deliberately dropping info...m

Is you funding code valid and up to date? Did you renew your eligibility in time?

Daisytails · 23/02/2025 21:57

MySillyCoralDog · 23/02/2025 20:39

So it is correct ?
Thanks!

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Without seeing the rest of your invoice, knowing what your contract states, understanding the hours that your child does and a multitude of other information then I have no idea 🤷🏼‍♀️

what you need to do is speak to the nursery and have them break things down for you. That is the only way you will get an answer I’m afraid

Cantgetausername87 · 23/02/2025 22:12

Nannalife · 23/02/2025 18:38

A BIT OF SUNDAY FUN!! How’s this for a totally madcap scenario that would never happen in a million years …
· Government decides every child under 5 is entitled to 15 (or 30) FREE portions of bread, milk, fruit & veg per week, from all supermarkets, large and small.
· Supermarkets aren't consulted about this and feel backed into a contract written by the local authority. Each LA can edit the contract as they wish.
· Government tells parents this food is all freeeeee! They don’t explain that it’s only for 38 weeks of the year, or that for the other 14 weeks they get nothing.
· Parents apply for a code to get the free food, but supermarkets unexpectedly find themselves burdened with all the admin of checking codes are valid, chasing parents for forms and claiming the funds. No financial assistance is provided to the supermarkets for the extra costs incurred by this work.
· Supermarkets have to stretch the 38 weeks of 15 (or 30) portions across the year, making 11 (or 22) portions per week. Parents don’t understand this and bombard the supermarkets with emails demanding to know why little Cordelia is only getting 11 free portions when she should be getting 15.
· Government pays £1 of funding per portion for the free food, knowing full well it doesn’t cover the cost. Tesco, Morrisons and Sainsburys say it will cost them £2 per portion to deliver the entitlement and ask for an increase in the funding. Government ignores the supermarkets and continues to underfund the scheme, expecting the supermarkets to absorb the shortfall out of their own pockets.
· Supermarkets decide they must charge the parents the £1 per portion difference, a bit like a top-up.
· Government tells the supermarkets they’re not allowed to charge a top-up, and that any charge has to be voluntary for the parent.
· Supermarkets change the amount they charge to £1.20 per portion to avoid it being a top-up, and call it ‘ingredient supplement’.
· Parents bombard the supermarkets with complaints about the £1.20 charge, demanding it should be free. Some parents report the supermarkets to government bodies.
· Supermarkets are forced to invent ridiculous rules for parents who don’t want to pay the ingredient supplement. Some parents try to sue supermarkets claiming their rules are illegal.
· Supermarkets have now become despised across the nation as money-grabbers.
· Checkouts apply the funding as parents pay for their shopping. Some parents don’t want the bread, so they demand a reduction in the amount they have to pay. Some parents don’t want their children to have the free cow’s milk, and insist on having free oat milk instead. The supermarkets tell the parents the oat milk isn’t free. The parents report the supermarkets to the government for being non-inclusive.
· Some parents demand to see the full P&L accounts of supermarkets to check they are not making profits. When supermarkets increase their prices, some parents demand a breakdown of how the supermarkets have worked out their increases. Supermarket admin departments spend hours dealing with queries and complaints.
· Some parents band together to create nasty social media groups to lambast the supermarkets. One in particular, called ‘Pregnant Then Starved’, operates under the belief that they are entitled to have their kids fed for free by money-grabbing supermarkets.
· The Prime Minister himself publicly labels supermarkets as ‘rip-off merchants’, further exacerbating the government-induced rift between parents and stores.
· Government attempts to squeeze supermarkets out of business by dictating how they operate (eg they are not allowed to sell bread, fruit or milk for more than 10 hours per day), along with huge hikes in employment costs.
· Government ultimately wants all food to be provided by state-run institutions. Some of these are already busy undercutting the supermarkets with full backing of the government.
· Many small supermarkets and convenience stores go bust, unable to meet the costs imposed by this scheme. Some close out of sheer exhaustion and disillusionment.
· Government is delighted about the monster it has created, as it sees its master plan coming together…
Please write your own crazy continuation and/or ending…😆

Amazing! The post was about reading an invoice not the changes to the "funded hours" and the fact that supermarkets need to be transparent about what they're charging for.

Because supermarkets take a lot of money and think they're a service which shouldn't be scrutinised in any way shape or form as they have customers over a barrel - there's a limited amount of supermarkets and all seem over subscribed at the moment.

Massive discrepancies across the country for how much extra customers pay for this free food.

You also missed the parts where when supermarkets are closed / unable to provide the food/ staff training / the customers are sick, the still charge!
Damn pregnant then screwed - awful group 😂

loobyloo1977 · 24/02/2025 08:15

I work in a nursery finance department and we are not legally allowed to show how much the funding is. Every parent who receives funding has their funded hours cost as a zero amount on their invoice so I would say this is correct.