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Nursery settling in sessions.

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Whitenoise123 · 03/09/2021 15:26

My DS has just turned 1 and will be starting nursery on 21st September. From august 11th he has been attending settling in sessions at the nursery a few times a week and has had between 10-15 in total.
Some of the sessions have gone well and he has settled after crying when I’ve left him. However, none of these sessions have ever been over an hour long. As soon as he cries they seem to just bring him out to me after just a few attempts to settle him even though he seems absolutely fine when they do bring him out.
Im just worrying that DS will not settle in properly because they seem to just bring him back out to me at the first opportunity. I’m a first time mum so unsure how nurseries work etc. Can anyone tell me if this is normal? Thank you :)

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saltedcaramelanything · 03/09/2021 15:30

That seems like a really long settling in process? Typically it's 2-3 sessions - a ~30min session with you there (covid rules permitting), a 1-2hr session with just the child, a half day session with just the child.

How long have each session been that you've done? Do you stay there?

Whitenoise123 · 03/09/2021 15:36

@saltedcaramelanything I thought the amount of sessions was normal until I read other threads where it’s the normal to just have a few settling in sessions.
I’m not allowed to go into nursery with DS because of covid so I just drop him off at the door. I wait in the car as I never know how long the session will last. They tried to give him a nap yesterday but they just said that he wouldn’t go to sleep so they brought him out after about 30 minutes instead.

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Sprogonthetyne · 03/09/2021 15:46

You've had 10-15 sessions already and 3 weeks to go? That seems like an awful lot. For context my DD started settling sessions this week, we did an hour together on Wednesday (I was in the room but doing paperwork), an hour by her self Thursday, and 2 hours this morning. She starts on Monday.

If anything I'd have thought what you're doing would be counter productive, as he'll have learnt that all he has to do is cry and he will be taken back to mum. That's going to give him an incentive to keep crying, and be a nasty shock when he starts properly and it suddenly stops working.

saltedcaramelanything · 03/09/2021 15:49

That doesn't sound right to me, to be honest. 30min isn't enough time for the staff or your DS.

They need the 2-4hrs to make it worth it. Time for DS to settle, if they are upset at drop off (which is totally normal) - but only if he stays with the staff and other children to get used to it.

Did the nursery suggest/ask you to stay & not have set length of sessions? I would tell them that for the next one you need it to be a half day session - drop off at 8 and pick up after lunch. And you go home/shopping/etc

notasillysausage · 03/09/2021 15:55

My daughter has just started nursery. We did 5 settling in sessions, 3 x 1 hr the first week, 2 x 2hr the second week, then she started. We didn’t do the bringing out when she cried thing, that sounds a bit odd and encouraging upset if it gets mummy back.

surreygirl1987 · 03/09/2021 15:58

First nursery- 6 settling in sessions, ranging from 45 minutes to a few hours.

Second nursery- 8 settling in sessions, ranging from 45 minutes to 4 hours

You do seem to have a lot, and they do seem to be too short. I would expect them to built up in length. I was worried that 4 hours was too short (they are doing 10.5 hour days now!). They need to have the experience of napping and eating there, plus transitions between activities.

SylvanasWindrunner · 03/09/2021 16:00

We had 3 I think. I went home when she was in! Just dropped her off, went home, and picked her up an hour or two later. She didn't actually cry at the settling-in but she did the first week or so when I dropped her off for her full days. And then it was like a switch flipped one day, the door opened and she ran in full pelt and straight towards a group of kids playing with rice crispies or something and that was that.

That seems a lot of settling-in sessions! Are you meant to hang around outside for them all? They don't sound overly experienced, tbh.

Whitenoise123 · 03/09/2021 16:11

@SylvanasWindrunner yes I’d like to be able to just drop him off then go but they they always just say that they will aim for an hour but just see how he is that day. So I usually just think it isn’t worth going anywhere as they’ll likely bring him back out again soon afterwards.
The nursery manager is going to call on Monday to book his next session so I’ll to see whether they’ll increase his time there so DS hopefully gets more used to it and I don’t have to hang around.

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insancerre · 04/09/2021 07:56

That’s too many settling in sessions
So many that it’s going to have the opposite effect and unsettle him as he isn’t really getting used to being there
I run a nursery and we do 2 settling in sessions of an hour each and we do them without parents there
All of our children have settled really well considering they have mostly been just at home with parents and haven’t been to groups etc
Maybe suggest to them that you would like stop the settling in and just start him

Pawsin · 04/09/2021 12:56

Each settling in session should increase in time. Some nurseries do a 4-week settling period where the time is gently increased, others do only one or two sessions. But the main point being that each time he goes in he should be extending the time.

It seems ridiculous to have 10-15 sessions that are all 1 hour, definitely question it! All it's teaching him is that if he cries, mum comes back. Parents should only be called back if the child is utterly inconsolable/distressed, a few tears is normal and I'd expect them to be able to have strategies in comforting upset children. I think you need to be a bit stricter and say that it's not working for your son and you want him to do longer etc, perhaps go home after you drop off and they'll be less likely to just bring him back out?

Mumseekingvillage · 25/02/2022 05:34

Hello,

I'm a first time mum to a 2 year old boy. He's been at home being looked after by me, hubbie and his Gran until now. We take him to playgroups, playdates, toddler classes and soft play three times a week. He's sociable, very active and likes sensory play, having books read to him, grappling with puzzles etc. We are in the process of introducing him to a nursery. On Tuesday, he and I were at the nursery with his allocated key worker for an hour. His key worker is also the deputy manager. She seems pulled in so many directions. During our Tuesday visit, whilst trying to talk with my son and I, she was also attending to four other children (reading to them etc). She showed us around a little. It was our first time in the building. The nursery owner agreed that we could do thr visit only if we paid for and signed up to a settling in period. The agreement is that this will be refunded if we're unhappy with the fit. I thought we would leave thr tuesday visit with clarity about the policies, procedures, plans for settling. We didn't!

However, our son loved the one hour tuesday visit. He interacted with other children, played and was even happy to go out into the garden with the key worker. When she left him out in the garden to come back to speak with me, he appeared happy to stay behind with other staff who were interacting with him in the garden. I saw him from the window.

The next day, the keyworker, hubbie and I agreed that he would remain at the nursery for an hour without me. There was still no plan provided about what his hour at the nursery would look like. We held of from asking too much because we wanted to have faith in the competence of the team.

Our son was excited about the start on Weds but the keyworker says it might have been because he hadnt absorbed that our goodbye meant that we'd not be with him. When he did fully absorb this, he was said to have appeared ok. When I returned to collect him, he wasn't crying at that time. It was clear that he had been tearful and his keyworker explained that he had been onky for the last few minutes. He was whimpering when he met me and looked so so overtired. To be fair, he had woken up an hour earlier than usual, so we expected him to be knackered after 30 minutes and to have a snack which we had prepared for him. The snack bag and details about his fatigue were shared with the key worker. We felt that he might need us to collect him earlier that day because though he said he wanted to go to the nursery, he was exhausted. We didn't receive any updates during that hour. Our concern is that all of his cues of hunger, thirst and fatigue were missed. We'd have liked to have been contacted to collect him when his countenance changed from outside. Why was he not being closely observed given that it was his first day? He was also without his keyworker for the first 30/40 minutes whilst playing in the garden. The keyworker explained that he had wanted to do outdoor play and at the time he was returned to her, he was already overtired and upset. His cues had been missed and he had been left without his food, drink and bag where all his creature comforts were. The keyworker was eventually able to use the books, cuddly toys etc which we provided to soothe him.

Our biggest concern is that she may be too busy to be a responsive and reliable key worker for our son. He's only 2 yrs and isn't yet able to verbalise all of his needs to new people. We're disappointed and confused about why on his first day of being without his family he was without his key worker? And why there was no planned time together with the key worker until he was distressed? We're also surprised that there was no meeting to discuss the 'All about me' form before asking us to leave him there for an hour. We're also disappointed that perhaps in our excitement and anxiety about the nursery start, we missed the attachment about key info which had been buried in the email chain. We hadn't seen the attachment (All about me) until Weds. Unprompted, I had volunteered a verbal account of our son's interests on Tues but we find it such poor practice that nobody brought it to our attention that such an important form was sent and needs discussing. They just seem either very busy and chaotic and/or very lassez faire about gaining key information about children in their care and demonstrating clear processes . We've shared our concerns and suggestions about ways forward, i.e we bring our son jn earlier if he wakes up earlier. We do 30 minute sessions if he's presenting as overtired. He wakes up at 5am some mornings and his scheduled settling in sessions are 10:15am. The key worker had meetings scheduled on thurs and explained that she can only be available for 30 mins of his scheduled settling in session! In light of our questions about whether to continue with this nursery, they have now suggested that we restart the settling in process in two weeks time. How is this stop and start helpful for our son who was expecting to be at nursery yesterday and again today?

Is this usual practice at nurseries? We're curious to learn and to find out whether it might be appropriate to adapt our hopes about nursery standards. What's everyone else's understanding about the key worker role and what are the settling sessions or settling activities meant to involve?

Mano2020 · 25/02/2022 13:06

Hi,

My son started nursery just after he was one years old. He is now 20 months. When he first started we had one settling in session where i remained whilst he sat in my lap. I filled out the necessary paperwork and had a quick chat about his likes dislikes with regards to food, toys and sleep. The next day i left him for a hour and when i got back he did look a little upset but this was expected. After this he went to nursery full days alone three days a week. The first few weeks he did not eat much or sleep well whilst at nursery but i found this was normal for many babies for the first couple of weeks or even months whilst they settle. He is now absolutely fine. He has a key worker however she is also the room lead so i do not expect anything extra from her then i do from the other staff. There are three members of staff in the room so he has got used to all of them and they all assist with feeding, sleeping and nappy changes. To be honest i find it better that he is not more attached to one staff member then then the other as when they are on annual leave the little ones struggle. Day to day all i expect from them is to make sure he is fed, nappy is changed regularly, does not oversleep, bib is changed when wet and he has a good day which i can see from his diary on the app everyday.

I think as its your first you are bound to worry and want to be told every little detail. But once he is settled and you see that he is happy you will begin to relax. Obviously if important things are missed like not being told what he has eaten during the day, not being offered fluids, nappy is not changed properly or injuries then i would definitely raise my concerns. Hope this helps Smile

Mumseekingvillage · 25/02/2022 15:09

Thanks so much for sharing experiences with me. I think you're right that it's when their basic needs are missed that it becomes worrying and this is exactly the oversights which concern my hubby and I, his cues were missed. We'll see whether there's scope for improvements or look to move elsewhere.

Mano2020 · 25/02/2022 22:22

Thats ok, yes definitely if his cues were missed make sure you raise it and if it continues look to move him elsewhere. The main priority should be that he has all his needs met and there is responsibility of the staff to make sure they understand each child's routine, needs, likes and dislikes to make sure they settle in well. Good luck Smile

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