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Please please help me decide what to do, feel stuck

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Obiey · 19/11/2018 20:13

DS1 has been at his nursery since he February, 1 full day amd 1 morning per week. He's nearly 3.5yrs old. I chose the nursery as it was local and has a fantastic garden and consistently outstanding Ofsted inspection report. It also had a lovely feeling.

Unfortunately I ended up with DS2 (18m) at a different nursery as original childcare plans fell through and there's no baby room at DS1s nursery (relevant in a minute). This is hard in the mornings but I just about manage it.

Anyway, DS1 struggled to settle initially,he is quite a 'sensitive' child so I expected this. There was a good few weeks of tears at drop off. Eventually these stopped and he would just walk in, which was wonderful, but this only lasted a few weeks before we were back to tears. They were over very quickly though and there were several workers in the room who he would go to. I felt the staff members general attitude was really sympathetic to him which is perhaps why the tears didn't last long. They always reported he was happy during the day.

We went on holiday the beginning of September and over this time they rearranged the whole nursery so he came back to a new room with all but one member of staff new to him (the one he knew, he liked luckily). He really struggled with this but I put it down to the change.

However things aren't really improving. Ocassionally he cries up to an hour, though it's usually much less. He is more likely to cry in the day in the new room - for example he was crying over the fact they were going outside when I got him today. And he says he only likes one staff member and he's so attached he cries when she goes for lunch. If I say oh what about Sarah (random name) is she nice he just says no.

Week before last he went for a wee (he prefers to have privacy to do this), I thought they waited by the door but they somehow managed to leave for the dining room without him so he came out to an empty room. It would have only been a couple of minutes I think but still it affected him, his behaviour was terrible that evening and that week really, I didn't know why til he told me 5 days later - nursery didn't tell me at all until I asked. I feel really sad about this but also that maybe that's an overreaction. They were very apologetic when I raised it.

In general I feel staff are more brisk than they were, the one he likes isn't but I don't think she is a strong character. In general it just feels colder. It's not a big room though with a good ratio of adults.

There is space for me to move him to the preschool room in DS2s nursery. They are nice rooms though a little less facilities (his nursery has a huge garden, soft play/ball pool room and hall for PE, here he'd be upstairs but with access to a smaller garden) but I think the staff are warmer in there. I got a nice sense.

I'm so worried about what's best I don't want to cause upheaval for hi, for him to be just as unhappy and he does love the one woman in his room. He starts school next September and I don't know if it's too much change or if it could really boost his confidence. All I know is he has cried almost every drop off for 9 months and it's worse in the new room Sad scared to make it worse for him, scared to not change when that's best.

My gut feels the new arrangement at nursery isn't as good but I just don't know what to do.

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Obiey · 19/11/2018 20:20

Meant to say the evenings after nursery he normally ends up needing a big cry for 20+ minutes in my lap over nothing I can see. Feels like he's getting something out. He didn't used to do that.

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ReturnfromtheStars · 19/11/2018 22:17

My child went to a pre-school with amazing, kind, caring, warm staff but not so great facilities, tiny outdoor space etc. The amazing staff made it work and was all worth it. She was also crying at drop-off at first, but that completely stopped after 3 weeks.

I would go with DS2s nursery, it will also be great not to have to go to to places.

Mishappening · 19/11/2018 22:21

That's a large chunk of this child's short life to be unhappy in his nursery. Go for warmth from staff over facilities every time. It must be agony for you.

ILoveAutum · 19/11/2018 22:24

Why don’t you just see if he can do a couple of trial days?

He’s 3.5, he should be able to tell you why he’s not happy. 20mins crying in your lap after he’s been isn’t good. Either there’s an a serious issue or he needs to be told to use his words.

INeedNewShoes · 19/11/2018 22:27

It sounds like your gut instinct is to give the smaller nursery a go. If that feels right I'd go with it. The child feeling secure and looked after is miles more important than facilities.

I too wouldn't be happy about a 3 yr old being left completely alone while everyone else went to the dining room. Mistakes happen but it doesn't inspire confidence.

You have my sympathy. It's hard leaving children in childcare. DD is 1 month into nursery and still crying at drop off. I'm hoping we turn a corner soon.

figelnarage · 19/11/2018 22:31

Agree with PP who suggested a couple of trial days. 20 minutes of unexplained crying in your lap every night must be heartbreaking for you.

Obiey · 19/11/2018 22:32

Thanks for the replies. It's hard because his nursery was so warm and caring, and now it's changed, and I keep thinking it's just me til he cries, again. I also worry that him being upset during his time there is a bit of a red flag, obviously that's normal from time to time but seems to be frequent now.

The evening crying is once he's tired. But he doesn't do it the same after a tiring day out with me for example.

Guess I'm just worried about making it worse. It would be nice to just have one drop off though.

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Sauvignonblanket · 19/11/2018 22:33

I think you do need to make a change somehow. The current set up isn't working for him and he's had a good try. Trial days at the new nursery sound like a good idea. He may also like the idea of being near a sibling and the role of a big brother looking out for DS2. I would pick somewhere where my child was happy over facilities. Also 1.5 days a week must be hard to settle in to. You're not there much of the time and that will make a difference too.

Obiey · 19/11/2018 22:35

The Tuesday he got left behind he got so upset at bedtime he cried for an hour til he fell asleep in my lap. He didn't then mention "mummy I got left behind by myself" til Sunday evening! When he told me he was all upbeat but I find it hard to believe it's not linked. And I only have their word how brief it was. They got all the children out of the room at least to the end of the corridor before realising.

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Obiey · 19/11/2018 22:36

I was thinking of adding an additional morning each week. Might help him settle and would mean I could spread my hours across into that morning and be back earlier on other days.

Is the big gap of Wed - Sun where he doesn't go likely to contribute by turning it into a big thing each time?

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spinn · 19/11/2018 22:37

Def do a few trial sessions then ask him which he prefers. Don't underestimate their ability to articulate and make these decisions at this age

Sauvignonblanket · 21/11/2018 10:49

The big gap definitely won't help. I also see people on other posts suggesting childminders for little ones who just aren't suited to a nursery setting. Is that an option?

Daisy2990 · 21/11/2018 15:11

My son was like this and we switched nurseries. He's suspected to be ASD so that played a part, but the change still helped him immensely. Part of the issue was the difference in the attitude of the staff. First nursery was much more hands off, second one very smiley and welcoming.

We took him to both for a while and the difference in approach was very obvious. He still cried but he actually settled in the end. At the first one he could cry all morning and they would seemingly just leave him to it.

Honestly, the size of the garden etc is not a factor I would consider important, if the staff are warmer that's your best indicator.

And yes leaving him alone is not good and clearly scared him. An apology is fine but how on earth did it happen in the first place - what if there was a fire? I wouldn't be pleased at all

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