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Nurseries big plan may be back on!!!!! (tremendously long)

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Katymac · 31/07/2006 19:46

Wahey after a few stutters and stalls it is possible that I will be opening a nursery.

So far the plan is to open in Sept 07
Portacabin/modular building/temporary structure ? for ease of description I will call this our ?building?
Our building will need:
· Electricity - separate metering
· Drains possibly maintenance as part of the rent or as a service charge
· Water ? Separate metering
· Telephone line ? above or below ground?
· Post box/address ? by main gate? On building? On gate by village hall?
· Planning Permission ? this is agricultural land ? may not be possible. Initial discussions with planning suggest that this would not be ideal.
· Outside play area (enclosed) ? Grounds maintenance (e.g. grass cutting) part of the rent or as a service charge
· Landscape gardening (incl Large trees/shading/outdoor toys/living fence)
· Staff room Adult/disabled toilet
· Children?s toilets and nappy changing (incl boys & girls separate)
· Kitchen?
· Under 2 room
· Under 3 room (or combined with the under 2 room and separate)
· 3-5 room
· Space for out of school club? ? Possibly used by school if needed?

The outside play area should be a similar size, fenced (around 1.2m (4ft) high) and significantly shaded.

Day care for up to 6 children under 2 (requiring 3.5m2 each needing 21 m2 and 2 staff) ? this would be in one room, with a sleeping area off to the side.

Day care for up to 8 children 2 to 3 (requiring 2.5 m2 each needing 20 m2 and 2 staff) ? I am still involved in research as to whether these children would be in a separate room or part of the 3-5 room.

Day care for up to 12 children 3 to 5 (assuming 6 starting the term after their 3rd Birthday and 6 in the year above) ? with sessional care for 6 in the morning and 6 in the afternoon (requiring 2.3 m2 each needing 27.6 m2 and 1.5 staff)

Sessional care for up to 8 children (4 in the morning and 4 in the afternoon) (assuming 4 starting the term after their 3rd Birthday and 4 in the year above) (requiring 2.3 m2 each needing 18.4 m2 and 0.5 staff)

There is also the issue of reception children who attend for mornings only and they would need to be accommodated in the building ? the ratio is 1:8 for this age children.

Finally it would make sense to run the before and after school club and holiday play scheme actually at the school (rather than at my house). So there would need to be space for these children, potentially higher than the 6 places I can currently accommodate (especially if the school gets bigger). Hopefully this would combine with the rising 5?s from reception and would leave a room which the school could use sometimes (if you want?)

This gives a staffing level of about 6 for the nursery, maybe extra for the afternoons for the reception children and out of school club. There would also need to be an admin person/catering/cleaning.

It is however unlikely that we could get to full capacity in a short time. It is more likely that we will run at less than half capacity for at least 2 years. This would (probably) mean that reception classes would not increase in 2007 or even 2008.

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Katymac · 31/07/2006 19:47

What haven't I thought of?

Is it feasible to manage this nd cook for it? (with a kitchen assistant)

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Katymac · 02/08/2006 15:20

Not sure about the drains - I think they cost a fortune

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bundle · 02/08/2006 15:33

not feasible to manage and cook imo

JackieNo · 02/08/2006 15:48

Does it all hang on the planning permission? If so, presumably that needs to be top of the list?

Katymac · 02/08/2006 16:04

yep - pp will hopefully say maybr or no this week....fingers crossed

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bundle · 02/08/2006 16:08

have you thought about who'll do your accounting/bookkeeping?
You're right to be realistic about your target occupancy rate, most nurseries overestimate.

Bozza · 02/08/2006 16:08

Sounds feasible. I think you will need to have provision for the 2-3 yos to sleep. My DD is 2.2 and still has a 1.5 hour nap after lunch. However they are on a routine and all the nappers nap together on little camp beds. Any that don't nap go in with the 3-5s at that time I think. My DS was still napping at nursery past age 3.

Katymac · 02/08/2006 16:13

Well evenyualy I am hoping that I will do accounts/management - but initially I think I will have to pitch hit in the rooms (for extra cover); with the parents; in the kitchen as well

2-3's could sleep in with the babies (tho' I like the idea of having Nap time - with anyone not needing a nap going up a room)

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Bozza · 02/08/2006 16:53

You're going to be very busy.

I know arrangements like naps are a bit down the line really. I think naptime is feasible because by that age most children who still nap do so after lunch. The children in the other room can presumably have some sort of "quiet time" session.

Katymac · 02/08/2006 16:55

I don't know if I will be busier before it opens or after

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Katymac · 07/09/2006 19:18

OK this is up and running again
I need a proposal by Monday

Initial meeting 21st Sept

Working group 26th Sept

Any good advise or suggestions?

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Katymac · 16/09/2006 20:05

Grrrr I am so angry

I had to have the proposal in by Monday lunchtime at the latest

By friday afternoon they hadn't been given out

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