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Just taken baby out of nursery

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riab · 06/10/2005 12:56

Just wanted to share my experiuences - and have a bit of a rant!

Have had to take my little boy (6mnths old) our of his nursery after a couple of weeks of really bad management.

He's had problem with tummy bugs and reflux over the past 6 weeks - I always kept him off until it cleared up and then I went in and made sure i explained his new feeding needs - ie he had to have soya milk (an intolerence it turned out) and he was losing interest after being so ill before so could they please feed him regularly and keep trying. I also said he needed to have at least 10oz split between 2 feeds during the 5 hrs he was there - preferably more!

This is a copy of the letter I sent to them I'd appreciate any comments on whether i should give them another chance - I've completly lost all trust in them as this wasn't a one off but consistant over at least 2 weeks despite clear instructions by me and his dad.

I would like to raise some concerns I have had recently about Sasha's care
whilst at nursery.

I have attempted to discuss these concerns with nursery staff as has my
husband but this has not resolved the issues.

The staff in general are positive and friendly, they have remembered Sasha's name quickly and I have been happy with the security arrangements and the facilities offered at the nursery.

However there are two very important areas relating to Sasha's individual
care which have been causing me concern for some weeks, in the past four
weeks there has been a marked decline in the levels of care in all of these
areas.

Sleep - despite discussion regarding sleep patterns to be 1 hr between 3 and

4pm this has never been stuck to, neither has sleeping room been used
instead he has been allowed to fall asleep when exhausted or bored in his
seat.

Feeding
Marked decline in amount he takes at nursery - has returned home screaming
with hunger on several occasions. This is an area of great concern, he is
generally a quiet and happy baby and I am concerned that unless he screams
for food whilst at nursery he is not being fed.
Despite discussions regarding need for him to be offered milk frequently due

to reflux, need for him to be fed whilst held not fed whilst strapped into
baby seat etc instructions not followed.

Feeding times not kept to - i.e. milk at 2pm, in diary it says milk at
2.20pm - is this because he was offered it at 2pm and refused it, or because

he was asleep or because no-one was available to give milk?

Burping not carried out effectively resulting in pain and reflux

Diary not kept up to date - there has been conflict between the verbal
report when picked up and what is written down. On several occasions the
last hour has not been recorded so I have no knowledge of whether he has
been fed/changed/slept since 4pm.

Concern about staffing levels, although usually 3 staff in baby room
frequently there are visitors, kitchen jobs etc also being seen to which
reduces staff to one or two people for up to 9 children.

Small babies area is used as storage for prams, despite unsuitability of
many activities for a non crawling baby he is kept in large room with much
older children - several are walking and seem much older than 1yr old. This
is an especially concern towards the end of the day, older children are
often brought down into the baby room and whilst he is trying to feed it
becomes a very noisy and chaotic atmosphere.

In general it seems that the staff are not adequately experienced/trained in

the care of small babies. The needs of a baby at pre-crawling & pre-weaning
stages are very different to those of an older infant or toddler.

I would like to resolve these issues as swiftly as possible however I will
not be bringing him into nursery until I feel more confident that his
requirements are being met.

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bobbybob · 08/10/2005 01:03

What sort of socialisation do you think a 6 month old needs? IME when you choose childcare you have to choose either a bias towards socialisation (nursery) or one on one care (childminder or nanny). If they are breaking a guideline - such as the bottle in a chair then that's something you can make them change - if it's just your personal preference (you would like him to sleep at a set time and it's not when they do it) then you will have to try to find somewhere that does.

Why did you choose this nursery if there wasn't enough space for babies?

batters · 08/10/2005 11:40

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Laura032004 · 08/10/2005 22:31

Hi Riab - sorry to hear that you are having such problems with Sasha's nursery. I hope that you get it all sorted, and that he settles well with his nanny.

Would a CM work out either with his routine? Surely lots of them would have older children to pick up from school / arriving home at around the time that he has his afternoon nap, needs his afternoon feed? That might be just as distracting for him as the nursery environment.

Laura (from Helston )

FairyMum · 08/10/2005 22:37

But are childminders really always 1-1 care? My friend complained that her DD had to sleep downstairs in the living room as childminder was looking after so many children that she hadnt the time to settle a baby upstairs and get her to sleep. Consequently her DD never got enough rest at childminders. So I really think it depends on how many children the childminder is minding. If you put your baby with a childminder and she is also looking after a a couple of demanding 4 year-olds....?

batters · 08/10/2005 22:47

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Laura032004 · 08/10/2005 22:48

I agree with FairyMum and Batters, I think a nanny would best suit your DS's needs at the moment.

ghosty · 08/10/2005 22:52

I think the answer is simply to investigate ALL options and work out which is best for you and your baby.
When I had DS I couldn't find a suitable childminder at all. I researched all the nurseries in the area and luckily found one just round the corner from me that was delightful. First of all they had an 'open door' policy (with suitable security obviously) which meant you could pitch up at anytime. Every time I went there the nursery nurses were all holding a baby. It was a baby room of max. 6 babies (aged O to 18 months) and 3 nursery nurses. They would all be sitting on the floor playing with the babies, music playing ... happy happy place.
The other thing I liked was that they said that until the baby was 1 they would follow whatever routine the parents wanted but after that they preferred the older babies to be in their routine. I felt that was fair enough really. They sent a diary home every day stating exactly how many oz of milk and when the baby had had, how much food and when he had had, how many wet and soiled nappies and times.
It was fantastic. But I had to search for it and had lots of visits there before I committed. DS was very very happy there. He started there when he was 4 months.

Judessis · 09/10/2005 09:42

Hi Riab
Sounds a truly awful nursery! Thought I'd add a good slant on nurseries though as there's a fair bit of negative in this thread! My ds started at nursery at 9 months (now 15 months) - I'd originally planned to stay at home with him, but PND developed and decided I couldn't cope with being a full time Mum (full marks to those angels who have the patience!!), only saw one nursery but it is 200 yards from home and I am a WAHM so seemed sensible. It is huge with areas for all the kids - converted primary school so proper hall for running around, properly designed kitchen, excellent baby rooms (2 as they don;t allow more than 9 in a room), loads of very caring staff, large outside space and loads of toys suitable for all ages. Ds has eczema from dairy so we exclude that and was wheat intolerant (has now decided not to puke when faced with a tiny amount of wheat!!) and they were FAB, never any problems with his timings, they use sleep rooms with costs and they always put them in the same cot to sleep - never let then fall asleep where they are and never have a TV in the room. Do absolutely loads with him so he does come home a bit hungry on occasions - but also exhausted from all the activity so I don't mind that - i just give him a snack when he gets home. THey are very open to discussions, and I brought up him being hungry and they have added an extra (healthy) snack between tea and home time. They were prepared to give milk when I wanted it to be given (and was rarely late), will give medicine, always clean his teeth, don't exclude them as long as they don't have contagious things (i.e. chicken pox, diarrhoea) and are very caring. He is very happy there and I have no cause for complaint. Oh and as he had been sick for no apparent reason a few times they started a food diary to try and work out why - conclusion - needs to sit down longer after eating!! And all this from a PRIVATE nursery Lilliputs Children Centre in Salfords - you rock!! If you live in Surrey and are interested then look them up as they have 3 nurseries in the county.

pol25 · 12/12/2005 11:54

I have seen this all too often in many nurseries I have temp'd in or visited. Many ppl now in childcare should not be, in schools they are pushed into this career if they are not academic and most mums would agree it is one of the hardest jobs of all!
How awful that your little bubba has been coming home hungry or poorly stimulated, isn't that what you pay them to do???
As for the milk intolrance, my sisters eldest D had this and I know how stressful it can be, getting tha balance of dairy and soya right in her diet, good luck!

handlemecarefully · 12/12/2005 12:03

Responding to a post further down the thread - I always find it slightly odd that people prefer CM's / Nannies. No peer supervision provided. No thanks!

Hulababy · 12/12/2005 12:05

I hope your issues are answered well.

DD has been in nursery since 21 weeks and has loved it. It has been perfect for us. I wasn't happy with the idea of leaving my baby with just one person (childminder). Didn't sit well with me - my opinion only and I know there are many good ones out there. But for me it wasn't what I wanted.

DD's nursery and I sat doewn and discussed routines. I am not a huge stickler for set routines anyway, never have been. DD didn't have specific feeding/sleeping times - they were there a=or therabouts. DD's nursery fit in their routine and mine and we came to a rough guide, which was always followed.

Nursery has been best solution ofr us definitely and we've never look back.

Different children, different parents, different best solutions.

Hulababy · 12/12/2005 12:07

None of the childminders local to me offered one to one childcare.

HappyMumof2TurtleDoves · 12/12/2005 13:41

Having worked as a nursery nurse in day nurseries I would like to add my view that they are awful places for babies. There is just no way babies can recieve the same level of care they would from a good childminder.
An advantage I think childminders have over nurseries and nannies is that childminders normally stay doing their job for a number of years, so the baby gets consistency of care.
This is simply not possible in a nursery, even with the key worker system in place. Nannies, I find often move on as well, when 'better' jobs come up with more attractive salaries/perks. Childminders just don't do that,ime.

There are some childminders out there who offer 1/1 care (or close to) I am a childminder. I have ds,6,at school all day, dd,2 (soon to go to playgroup mornings) and one mindee,1, who gets exactly the same level of care from me as my own dd.

HappyMumof2TurtleDoves · 12/12/2005 13:42

I should probably add - most are awful places for babies - can't ever say all I suppose!

going4potty · 12/12/2005 14:18

Just read some interesting stuff on this thread. Have to say i started of thinking nurseries are best, as peer supervision, staff noon their own etc. Ds is three, we changed him from two nurseries, as he was so unhappy, long story, but basically not enoughcare and attention. I now have the most fantastic childminder who i trust completely and when i have a second child, i pray she will have them too!

HappyMumof2TurtleDoves · 12/12/2005 16:02

I think the staff not or their own point that I have heard some parents talk about, is really only an issue if you do not have faith in your chosen carer. If you trust your carer and believe them to be capable and the right carer for your child, then it's not really an issue,iyswim.

I agree that it is an issue in nurseries as a lot of the nursery nurses I met were young and had come straight from college. Some were not very bright,tbh.
One private nursery where I worked, which had, and still has, a very good reputation, amazed me, in that staff who were not up to much, were promoted to senior positions very, very quickly.

With childminders, the new standards bought in by Ofsted, means that anyone childminding has very high standards to meet, and on going training is now very much encouraged.

Hulababy · 12/12/2005 18:02

Defintely not all nurseries HappyMum of2. I can't believe I have just fallen really lucky twice, and that all the rest of rubbish. Certainly there are some poor nurseries. Simialrly there are some poor childminders and some poor nannies. You only have to read MN threads to see that.

bauble99 · 12/12/2005 19:23

HMO2. The OFSTED standards apply to all childcare providers and ongoing training/professional development is required for staff working in daycare nurseries. As you probably know, nurseries are now also spot-checked without any notice.

HappyMumof2TurtleDoves · 12/12/2005 19:43

I know they do bubble. Ime, I have found that in nurseries it seems to be the management who are 'quizzed' in depth about their practices while not all staff are spoken to.
With childminders, it is one individual person, who has met all the standards solely on their own merit.
I did say ime btw, not implying that all nursery staff are not up to scratch!

bauble99 · 12/12/2005 19:49

Well, if you will insist on flying solo.....

The inspector will want to talk to you (or us) about policies, procedures etc. But they also spend a lot of time observing and this, IME, can reveal more about staff knowledge and ability than a verbal question and answer session.

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