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Time of change of thought on spirituality and autism

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Justmerach · 09/01/2025 16:23

Hi everyone an interesting topic for sure.

I was diagnosed with autism a few years ago now. Of course I have always had it since a child. My sensory was severe as a child and I got into bother with it and it looked like naughty behaviour at times, but it was just my sensory that people didn’t know about. I was tested by ADOS and in some scores scored moderate level 2 autism. I have attached my scores for my sensory. I wrote as well that although it was tested at 2 that I was not on top form so to say and feel I go higher than lets say for sure lol.

Anyway, it has been said and thought to be true by many for a long time that people who are autistic many find it hard to believe in God and have a religion because of a need for evidence and a need for logical explanations for things. This is due to Theory of mind.

I have always had an interest in religion. I have my own faith but I wouldn't call it a special interest but it is the most important interest in my life to me. I am very sensory and have been gifted and graced in this area which has probably strengthened my faith. Therefore, circumventing some of those weaknesses probably. I have been equipped to cope and I think everyone is possible of this in their own ways. Surely a creator would equip people to cope differently. Although, I had my faith before I knew I was equipped to cope, it may have helped me to cope and hang on.

I have read of some accounts by autistics who haven't mentioned these gifts, so I don't know where they stand with them. Perhaps though as well their weaknesses may not be around this area and they may be equipped to cope differently, but I think they are equipped to cope.

Also, there is new research that shows that autistics have something different. Research by Ingela Visuri in 2018 found that autistics have increased somasensory perceptions which lead to increased supernatural experiences. See below for basically in a nutshell was they argued-
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2153599X.2018.1548374

“non-autistic group participants, and current research suggests that unusual somatosensory experiences are prevalent in the autistic population. Attribution of invisible agency is understood as a sense-making coping strategy, and it is argued that esoteric content in fantasy literature, movies and computer games explain why these young adults prefer to attribute agency to ghosts, spirits and demons, rather than god(s). The study thereby extends and challenges the study of autism and religiosity by exploring the intersection between autistic embodiment and encultured cognition”.

More research later in Autism and Religion in 2023 found the below-
“We dispute the assumption that individuals with ASD are inherently less religious and spiritual than the neurotypical population. Religiosity is possibly expressed differently in ASD with unique spiritual experiences and beliefs (“gifted, visionary, and truth-seeker”).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10453845/

Also, if interested in the topic of spirituality I would suggest you look at the Youtube videos of David Derbyshire. He is diagnosed with autism himself and used to do a group on Zoom on Spirituality which I found so interesting and a good time passer. They are easy to listen to and I sat in myself in the groups they took. The videos are on the gifs of the Spirit and neurodiversity and the sensitives that we have.

There are several autistics who have documented their experience with their faith. I can only say those I know and they will be Christian as I am a Christian. I have written my account on my faith which can be read here, but it is not to be debated in this thread. I have written on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and my journey to today. https://racheltestimony.blogspot.com/

There are many more Christian autistics who have written about their autism and religion. Top of my head Miya Sae and Hugo Ross who is a Christian scientist and autistic. There are many more as wel. Of course there are books written by autistics who discuss their fait to like by Daniel Bowman called On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, and the Gifts of Neurodiversity.

Of course other groups will have their experiences as well.

I have noticed though that more ethnic groups do not talk much about autism online or at least don't mention it and we shouldn't have to, but so less will be written which will include their autism and religious experience/spiritual experience.

I will add though there are books on children, faith and autism, just one is called the God connection. The book is seeming to claim that children with autism have a special connection for spiritual experiences. I read that some parents contacted the author and gave accounts of their children speaking at home secluded in their rooms to an unknown. I am just the giver of information and I am not here to give my take on that.

If useful perhaps take something from this, if not drop it. We are a neurodiverse bunch with our own loads so lets treat each other respectfully.

Time of change of thought on spirituality and autism
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myplace · 09/01/2025 16:27

I hope you do receive respect here. I have a friend doing some work on making church more inclusive for people with autism.

Justmerach · 09/01/2025 16:59

Thank you myplace, hopefully their will be no flames here. I have kept the topic broad to not exclude anyone dispute my own faith. People of all faiths are free to post and the topic stems to spirituality also. I have to look after my health and do not like confrontation so would ask for a padlock on the post if possible if it went to point of the uneccesary, which it really shouldn't do.

I got the title wrong, I had this in my edit word for a while and the title was the only I think I got wrong. I was meant to write Time for a change and not time of change. I think I can live with that or can a moderator change it?

Back to what you posted though my place. I have read about making church's more inclusive for people with autism.
I have read several links where there is discussed. I will just link to one. I found the link interesting as it wrote about autistics wanting to sit at the end and find the up and down difficult. This has been it for me as well.

https://www.chelmsford.anglican.org/uploads/files/Welcoming-those-with-autism.pdf

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https://www.chelmsford.anglican.org/uploads/files/Welcoming-those-with-autism.pdf

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Justmerach · 10/01/2025 09:21

I am glad to say I returned to this thread and saw the status, no need for brow sweating and that is how it should remain and how I intended it to be so, stretching to include everyone, take it or leave it, making your own choices if you so wanted to, consider whatever you want yourself. You are capable of making your own choices. I have other conditions the other one not all are capable as another with autism. So what does that make me right on paper less capable than the large majority here probably lol. God has though made capable.

Moves on.

I will say this, I thought this thread and the book about children speaking to an unknown is called the God connection. It pretty much that in the title, but just googling you would find the wrong book as there are similar named books.

This is the book I was referring on the author's website, his religion persusion is unknown perfectly to me. The book is called Autism and the God connection.
https://www.williamstillman.com/god-connection.php

Autism and the God Connection Book By William Stillman

https://www.williamstillman.com/god-connection.php

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Justmerach · 10/01/2025 09:45

I can have a bit of a comic side to me at times, and that is all good fun.
But think the children is seen to be talking with an unknown in the bedroom, opens the door and finds no second person there, what would you do. Some less understanding might say charges or what.

To be an accurate from my spin. I love a secret friend, I am quite like that as well. However, there is a difference I mumble to myself God knows how to communicate with me through images usually. Not for hours in parents home talking to me. The other one is not found in my Bible. Therefore I digress it cannot be supported by me. I know prophetic words, I have never heard of it like this. Even children like our beautiful Catherine of Siena at just four her visions of Christ were accurate that she given, but she was not spoken to in a room for hours.

Well, I am like this today, whose in two weeks, but I do is my faith will remain. I will say there may be not something in the book, but not as fully presented to me. Always learning through life. Perhaps could be communicating with spirits but not with a Christian nature.

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Justmerach · 26/01/2025 13:56

I started another splinter post on this subject, this though is for autistic Christians and not religion generally. I hope if some look at that post you think it is ok. Some interesting discussion is think is being had for those who may be Christian and autistic. Just today I posted about my own experiences in church. There is a funny photo to about sitting on the end. Post wherever of course.

Thrilled that it stayed peaceful and may it remain so.

This is the link to the thread on this forum
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/christian-mumsnetters/5250188-autistic-christians

Autistic Christians | Mumsnet

I am just posting in this forum to let some of you know who perhaps might be neurodiverse and autistic that I created a post in the neurodiverse secti...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/christian-mumsnetters/5250188-autistic-christians

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Justmerach · 26/02/2025 20:30

Hi, someone pointed this out to me and it is a good one to link here. It is about a young boy who has autism and his Christian faith and gifts.
You can read it here
https://the-art-of-autism.com/how-josiah-a-non-speaking-autistic-child-conveys-spiritual-truths/

and his mum's blog is here
https://tahnicullen.wordpress.com/josiahs-fire/

This is an interesting read as well
https://kidsinministry.org/the-spiritual-lives-of-autistic-children-2/

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Justmerach · 08/05/2025 08:31

I saw this story and podcast on the Premier website about a 10 year old boy who prays in tongues which is a Gift of the Holy Spirit. He doesn't appear to be autistic, but he is a child and being a forum mainly for parents'. I thought I would post it because of that. To see other children being embraced and supported by the Gifts of the Holy Spirit-which is Glossolalia.

https://www.premier.plus/the-profile/podcasts/episodes/prayer-storms-james-aladiran-on-speaking-in-tongues-with-his-10-year-old

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