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My tribe ain’t out there

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Blomh · 16/01/2024 15:36

I’ve been diagnosed with autism at 42. The NHS has put me in for counselling to help me deal with it. The counsellor keeps telling me to accept myself and look for my tribe, instead of being upset because people constantly reject me and don’t want to be my friend or employ me.

I’ve never had any friends. Nobody has ever wanted to hire me for anything other than a crappy job where they don’t care who they hire. Believe me, my tribe ain’t out there. If they were I’d have found them in the 42 years I’ve been on this planet.

I feel very despondent. The counsellor truly believes that I just need to accept myself and look for others like me. I have decades of experience of bullying and rejection, I’ve been rejected as recently as last week (I tried to join a hobby and they said I wasn’t a good fit for their group). I don’t see how I’m supposed to move forward, NT people will just keep saying no and closing doors like they’ve always done.

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MumofOne1789 · 16/01/2024 20:05

Have you searched for neurodiverse groups in your local area?

Blomh · 16/01/2024 20:12

I have but the groups for adults seem to be geared towards those with intellectual impairments. Obviously that’s not going to be supportive or appropriate for me.

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MyNameIsIDontKnow · 16/01/2024 20:16

Ugh, so sorry to hear this @Blomh. People can be so thoughtless. I posted similarly a few weeks ago and others said they feel the same (which was heartening in itself). Reminds me of the meme, which I can't find, but it is something like 'autistic people (or it might be introverts) assemble... alone in your rooms'. I sometimes see 'get togethers' for AS people and I just think 'huh, how does that work!?' Basically what I am trying to say is that there probably are people for you/us but it is really, really hard to find them. I think it is sad and hard but I try and find acceptance in that now. Some days it is easier than others.

MyNameIsIDontKnow · 16/01/2024 20:28

Sorry @Blomh - don't want to make you feel worse. Just saw noone had replied (at least hadn't while I was typing) and really felt for you. Flowers

BeanoComicLover88 · 16/01/2024 21:56

@Blomh I can relate so much to all that you wrote. I'm the same age and I've tried and tried to join things, get to know others etc but have always been rejected. I'm kind, take an interest in others and all of that but am always rejected or left out.
It annoys me when people say stuff like "Your vibe attracts your tribe" because this certainly hasn't been the case for me. A lot of people just dont seem to understand how difficult is is and go on with stuff like humans are social beings, it becomes harder to be social though feeling like people just dont want to know.

I wish I could offer more positive words of encouragement bit I just wanted to say I totally understand and relate.

ntmdino · 17/01/2024 10:10

How are you with online interaction? If you can form relationships with people online, there are loads of communities out there that are absolutely brilliant. I know of two great YouTube channels which have vibrant Discord communities -

https://www.youtube.com/@imautisticnowwhat
https://www.youtube.com/@YoSamdySam

Both of those have been a part of my journey over the last few years, and I'd highly recommend them. I believe they have voice channels too, but...y'know, they can be a bit awkward and chaotic, so I tend to avoid them.

ronoi · 17/01/2024 10:32

For me it was a case of accepting I don't have a tribe. Then I came to realise, after a long time, that I don't want one anyway.

The years of struggle, being taken advantage of and disliked for no reason are behind me.

I'm not saying we should all live my relatively low social contact life, but often we don't even realise it's an option as we are still striving to be something we are not. Still masking.

I have one very good friend who is very like me, we meet up once every year or 2 and barely talk in between. It's perfect for me. If I did need someone to talk to, she is there, but it comes without pressure. Aside from that i don’t bother with people too much. I have DC and DC from teen to adult age now and I find that enough.

Craftycorvid · 18/01/2024 15:31

The counsellor’s advice is not wrong, but might be premature. The years of bullying and rejection need addressing first before you begin to think who you may or may not want in your life. I’d recommend working with a trauma-focussed therapist who gets neurodivergence - they are out there!

Pugdays · 19/01/2024 07:16

I got diagnosed at 50 last year ,with autism
I can make friends ,I just can't keep them ,it just fizzles out
I thought we were all meant to meet our tribe at uni ,I never met mine either .
On a different note ,how did you get counselling on NHS for your diagnosis...I haven't heard from my doctor,but he definitely got sent my diagnosis report

Pugdays · 19/01/2024 07:18

ntmdino · 17/01/2024 10:10

How are you with online interaction? If you can form relationships with people online, there are loads of communities out there that are absolutely brilliant. I know of two great YouTube channels which have vibrant Discord communities -

https://www.youtube.com/@imautisticnowwhat
https://www.youtube.com/@YoSamdySam

Both of those have been a part of my journey over the last few years, and I'd highly recommend them. I believe they have voice channels too, but...y'know, they can be a bit awkward and chaotic, so I tend to avoid them.

How does this work ,I've never heard of discord
Sorry I know that wasn't aimed at me ,it just sounds interesting

Blomh · 19/01/2024 10:49

Pugdays · 19/01/2024 07:16

I got diagnosed at 50 last year ,with autism
I can make friends ,I just can't keep them ,it just fizzles out
I thought we were all meant to meet our tribe at uni ,I never met mine either .
On a different note ,how did you get counselling on NHS for your diagnosis...I haven't heard from my doctor,but he definitely got sent my diagnosis report

I self referred to Talking Therapies in my local area. The waiting list is several months and you get six sessions. It’s just general counselling, it’s not specifically for people with an autism diagnosis - although that’s what we’re talking about in my sessions.

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BonstanceBarroll · 19/01/2024 16:22

I feel your pain and I will share a little (looong) bit and I hope it helps, even if only to feel less alone. Skip to the end paragraph for the most helpful bit!

46yr old F ADHD/cPTSD peppered with ASD traits who still doesn't feel like her face fits, as though somehow others can, on a primal level, sense I am not ''normal'', although it is more likely something more profound. Even a recent final year course ended with me feeling like an outsider, as the group already had their dynamic and I was a newcomer - the energy was already off.

I was friendly, professional and neutral yet they were overtly horrid (although a fellow student who was in their group the year before warned me that they were a nest of vipers...trainee therapists...the non-judgemental, empathic ones, apparently).
I took it so personally as I was triggered with the familiar feeling of 'it must be me' yet logic knew otherwise - this is my CONSTANT battle emotion/triggers V logic/reality.
Ironically, when people are kind to me or say I am a good friend/colleague, I panic and mistrust them. I worry that it will feck it up or they will eventually tire of me and discard me - the wounds are still there.

Having a nasty sociopathic father who didn't want me, enabled by a histrionic mother who scapegoated me and painted ME as the problem when I spoke out about the emotional abuse didn't help, as my self esteem will never be fully healthy and years of rejection and bullying has not assisted in promoting the healing of those wounds. I'm a work in progress:)

My husband is autistic, as is my son (13), and none of us belong anywhere it feels, although we do have each-other, but it is stifling, boring and depressing at times, especially as we all have crap health conditions.

Husband was bullied most of his life and has barely any contact with his domineering and nasty family (narc mother and the rest toe the line in fear). He was always picked on as he was very different and didn't toe the line. He is very sweet, gentle and unassuming but would speak up on matters of dysfunction and abuse. He is the identified patient now and it is lonely but liberating. My son has always been targeted by bullies and struggles with anxiety, but also with social cues although we have done huge amounts to help him (such as signing him up for asd counselling and social skills groups), but I feel sad, frustarted and angry that he is paying the price for how we are and isn't surrounded by cousins due to the divisions. I also blame myself for passing on my genes and charactersitics, as awful as that sounds.

I do make friends/contacts but often when I meet like-minded souls, it fizzles out, flakes or they are just as useless at maintaining as I am, and there it is, the epiphany for me that I also flake and struggle to commit. I also see past the facade of some, especially when they start to show my any kind of toxic behaviour. My bar isn't set that high but I do have values and morals, and detest bitchfests.

Such is the trauma of being bullied and not belonging in so many environments, especially as I would not partake in bitching, not understand how to play the game, I stood out as 'other'. Being a whistleblower didn;t help. I have blown the whistle a few times in healthcare settings for illegal activities (think theft of medication, physical abuse of a vulnerable patient and similar) and safeguarding matters (think inappropriate relationship with students) in line with the profession, yet I was punished afterwards by being managed out or bullied. It is so depressing.

Oftentimes, I would make one good friend, but contact would cease when I/they moved on, despite promises, so there is recognition that meeting similar souls can result in similar behaviours! I also struggle with superficiality and people who run others down, yet are sweetness to their faces, or game playing and deceit? It repels me although I used to get sucked in by the facade.

I used to feel left out and sad seeing groups of friends having fun, meeting up etc...until I was part of such groups and couldn't hack the tittle tattle, the fall outs, the dynamics and just be utterly exhausted socialising. I still struggle with that feeling of knowing someone doesn't like me, even when they haven't even got to know me - I recently had this helping at work, when a colleague refused to work with me? I work hard and I am keen and fair, and this colleague is extremely negative and lazy (and on their way out, according to management) yet why does this one person's view of me get to me so much. I wouldn't even chose them as a friend as it is!

I've had years of therapy and making sense of who I am, how I operate, taking responsibility, being congruent with self and coming to terms with childhood/teen/work/friendship/relationship issues and dynamics, but the rejection sensitivity will not leave me, no matter how hard I work on myself, it feels hardwired. I have been great at heping others makes sense and showing empathy and love towards them and their healing, yet still get a little stuck myself...

For now, I continue with my therapy, focus on my little family and keep on trying with those that matter, and I have been dipping in a lot to the Eggshell Therapy site, which is a fantastic website for highly sensitive, gift, intense neurodivergent adults. It has been a lifesaver for me at times.

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