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Parenting and regulating own emotions with ADHD

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jazzyh · 15/10/2023 20:39

I'm really struggling with regulating my emotions when parenting and would really appreciate any advice or suggestions for moving forwards.
I have a wonderful 4 year old who so far has generally been fairly straightforward to parent (definitely not easy, but manageable!). Since starting school however things have changed quite a bit. Im not massively concerned about the changes as I think her behaviour is in line with the big changes she's going through, however I'm really struggling to adapt. We're seeing lots more push back, much less listening and at times quite obnoxious behaviour - all of which seems to really push my buttons and really overstimulates me.
I try to parent gently / respectfully and am very aware of the impact of my responses, and so do my best to remain calm and guide her behaviour and provide good boundaries. I am also ok in sharing my frustrations in a healthy way so I'm not concealing to the point of it being unhealthy.
But some of the stuff she does irritates me to the point of feeling instant rage and I'm not sure how to work through this. I'm diagnosed with ADHD and so I just don't find that the conventional 'walk away and breath' techniques work that well for me - once I've 'gone' I feel stuck with the physical feelings of rage with no way to discharge the feelings.
I'm very aware that this is a me problem rather than a her problem, and I know that I need to sort this so that I can help her learn to also regulate in the long term. I can see that I'm irritable with her at times, and at its worst I've had to walk into another room and privately hit myself as I don't know how else to cope with my anger. I would never ever hurt her physically or let her see this, but equally I don't want to hurt her mentally either.
My partner is being supportive and is very hands on with parenting. I'm practicing the best self care I can manage - earlier nights, time to myself where possible, reducing other stresses. But none of it is seeming to help. I just don't know how to change this :(

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BertieBotts · 16/10/2023 23:24

I've really struggled with this so I absolutely understand where you're coming from.

4/5 years old in particular, SUCH a challenging phase. I used to struggle with DS1 when he was this age and I thought I'd got better, but I had a moment with DS2 the other day where I just reacted, lashed out at him, felt absolutely terrible. I'm really really determined to change this because it's not on, it's not OK.

So this is what I've learned so far.

I'm on medication, which helps (but obviously not totally.)

Differentiating between when my child is acting rationally - so can be dealt with using behaviour management - and when they are acting out stress behaviours. When they are in an elevated/dysregulated state, no parenting helps it's just about co-regulating.

Nobody ever explained what this was and it took me so long to figure out but this is what I do now:

  • Reduce sensory stimulus, if possible - turn down lighting, turn off or down TV/music/etc. (This is an optional step).
  • CUE SAFETY, which means behaving in the opposite of an intimidating way. Get close to the child and crouch down really low, to their level, or even lower if you can. Modulate tone into a very soft, very low, calm, soothing tone. If child likes eye contact/body contact, offer this. (Don't offer if this would make things worse).
  • When you're down there right next to them in front of them, take (at least) three obvious, long, slow, deep breaths. Don't TELL them to breathe. Just let their mirror neurons kick in and copy you.
  • THEN you can do the be curious/validate feelings part. Keep that low, close, quiet, soft tone.
The whole point of cueing safety is to clue in their nervous system, which is firing as though there is a threat, that you are not a threat. That they are safe.

I find that naturally, when my child is displaying stress behaviour - when they are whining, manic, demanding, accusatory, aggressive - my natural response is that MY tone gets higher and louder and more whiny or aggressive (or "firm") back. Or I start warning (which is really threatening, isn't it??) - this is all the opposite of safety, it's me basically confirming to that overreacting nervous system, oh boy, yeah we really do have a threat here. So our nervous systems are just reacting to each other, and we don't want that. I want my adult rational brain to be in charge. Having a little formula to follow really helps me with that.

If I notice too late that I'm doing the overreacting thing - tell him "I need to calm myself down", step out of the room, focus on my breathing and focus on the practical steps that I can do. Recognise that I do not have to make him do anything, I have to co-regulate first. If it's gone too far I sometimes find that I cry at this point. That's when I know that I've really gone into adrenaline in reacting, because it's a sort of crash from that. If I come out trying to calm down and think of a calmer way to make him do the thing, I won't calm down. It will come instantly back again. I need to make the switch from "how to make him do the thing" to "he's dysregulated. I'm not a threat. Cue safety."

I have had it where they are so elevated that they have not wanted to let me leave the room. So I go into a room and close the door and sit against the door while I calm myself down/cry/whatever even if they are banging on it behind me. With DS1 I used to think I was such a failure when this happened. Now I think I'm just doing what is safe, sensible and necessary (and it doesn't take me as long to regulate myself).

ADHD can cause you to have very intense emotions, so our blow ups are big, but we are also not very good at noticing where we are emotionally. Other people might feel that there is a scale from calm > irritated > stressed > enraged whereas often to people with ADHD it feels like we go from calm > enraged with no in between steps. The in between steps are there, but we aren't very good at noticing them due to poor interoception. You can practice and get better at this, I've been doing it.

Sensory triggers can be huge. Both for you and if your child is very reactive possibly her too. Learning about this can be really helpful.

Having a "dysregulation checklist" can be really helpful too. If my 5yo is winding me up, I quickly run through a list in my head. When did he last eat? Drink? Have a poo? Have a wee? Have we been out/active today? Have I spent at least 15 minutes in focused time with him today? Even 5? Am I sucked into my computer? Is the room he is in a tip? In basically that order. It's kind of like the "Why is the baby crying??" checklist but for 4/5 year olds. 99/100, running through the list comes up with something obvious and when I fix that he is fine and not annoying me any more.

I thought back and I realised that for both DS1 and DS2 the very worst days with the worst incidents were days where we start off on the wrong foot first thing in the morning and just keep back and forth pinging off each other winding each other up and sort of levelling up the irritation meter with every one of these interactions, and if I notice that I'm in one of these days I need to really take myself into another room or something and realise: This is an emergency day, I need a plan. The plan needs to contain everything from the checklist and pull out all the stops. I haven't come up against another bad day since I decided this, but I have some ideas in mind.

BertieBotts · 16/10/2023 23:25

It's so late and I have so many things to share - I will do a resource list tomorrow. I need to go to bed now. DS1 is now 15 and I have struggled with this since he was about 3. It's taken me 12 years to get this far. Hopefully I can give you a headstart :)

BertieBotts · 17/10/2023 09:16

OK - resources. In no particular order. Remember this is 12 years' worth of collated stuff - so I'm really NOT expecting anyone to digest all of this in one go.

Parenting in general:

  • How To Talk So Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk (the original one is great at age 4).
  • Any of the books by Dan Siegel/Tina Payne Bryson - love The Whole Brain Child and The Power of Showing Up (but from the quality of these two, I'm sure the others are absolutely excellent!)
  • Janet Lansbury's older articles and podcasts about boundaries and confidence. I am finding these less useful recently so they might be better for under 3. But I've found this useful in terms of not taking on my child's emotions as my responsibility to "fix", and the idea of being confident in my leadership. I tend to shy away from being a leader/conflict in general, and this helps. There is a great article of hers where the mum writes in saying "My four year old is big and strong and he overwhelms me" and Janet replies "You say your boy is strong, but you are stronger, aren't you?" Somehow that really stuck with me, I think that sometimes when we are overly empathetic, we can be almost afraid of our child and attribute more power to them than they really have. Reminding myself that I am stronger, more rational, more experienced, more capable, than a four year old (!) is really helpful for me.
  • A lot of the "typical parenting expectations" like - always getting dressed, having a predictable routine, not giving in on small things like the wrong coloured plate - can have supportive/knock on effects later on so not writing these off as unimportant is useful. (Can expand on this).
  • The ABCs of Everyday Parenting course on Coursera. Some of the premises annoy me, but all of the tools are excellent and they work. This is a great one for positive discipline, avoiding the need for punishment.
  • 15 Minute Parenting by Joanna Fortune
  • Framing my actions as "It's my job to keep you safe and healthy, and to keep you safe and healthy you need to XXX which is why I am making sure that happens." Seems to take some of the fight out of it.
  • To expand on the previous consequences discussion, when something is a solution, don't frame it as a warning/consequence. E.g. if I take away a toy that they are being silly with, I wouldn't say "Stop that or I'll take it away", and then "Now you've lost that toy because you were being silly!" I would just (ideally de-escalate/co-regulate first, but either way) remove the toy and say something like "This isn't very safe so I'm putting this away for now".

Dysregulation/emotional regulation:

  • Conscious Discipline by Becky A Bailey. I find these resources hard to navigate but one of my go-tos when I have a pet topic to learn about is to search the author's name in a podcast program and see every OTHER podcast they have been interviewed on, and listen to all of those. This gives a really good intro to the topic, with quite a bit of repetition, which I find very helpful in getting to know a new topic. This system is designed for teachers, but I have found some absolute gems in it which is why I included it.
  • The OT Butterfly on instagram, and her podcast. She is really great at explaining sensory regulation, though she is a little light on info in each specific post, overall you can build a good picture.
  • Zones of Regulation
  • When Your Kids Push Your Buttons - book by Bonnie Harris. One of the best parenting books I've ever read. Absolutely fantastic. Therapy in a book!
  • Mona Delahooke - again absolutely fantastic. She nails the distinction between stress behaviour and chosen behaviour. So so so so so helpful. She has two books - Beyond Behaviour is helpful if you're starting out and want to understand the premise that behaviour management (reward, punishment, encouragement, asking/prompting in the right way, supportive environment, modelling etc) doesn't work for all behaviours and why. Brain-Body Parenting is the second step, is lighter on this explanation assuming that you mostly get it, and is more practical. She has plenty of podcast interviews too. So so so good.
  • Self-Reg by Stuart Shanker (UK title is Help Your Child Deal With Stress and Thrive).
  • Too Fast, Too Tight, Too Loud, Too Bright - a book about sensory processing disorder. Helpful to recognise your own and your child's sensory profile.
ItsAutumnThen · 17/10/2023 21:07

Just marking my place as I feel very similarly and feeling grateful for @BertieBotts resource list. Thank you.

Whoevenlikestomatoes · 19/10/2023 14:12

Great list @BertieBotts

Would love to know more about this part below, if you're able to elaborate?

A lot of the "typical parenting expectations" like - always getting dressed, having a predictable routine, not giving in on small things like the wrong coloured plate - can have supportive/knock on effects later on so not writing these off as unimportant is useful. (Can expand on this).

BertieBotts · 24/10/2023 12:08

Yes sorry for the delay.

What I mean is that, whether it came from me being young with my first child or starting out with "attachment parenting" and being sceptical of stuff like baby routines, or just having an annoying "question everything" sort of nature, (is that ND?) I tended to simply avoid anything that I couldn't see a direct point of. For example, I didn't make DS1 get dressed if we weren't going out, or didn't get him dressed first thing in the morning if we were going out later, I tended to say yes to everything that wasn't a clear safety issue, I tended to be lax on boundaries because it was easy to give in etc. I honestly saw this all as being child-led or seeing things from their perspective or picking my battles, or sometimes I was even insufferably smug about it Blush (just privately!) assuming that I was so much cleverer than everyone else who just "goes along with NT expectations" without thinking, and my assumption was that by being laid back on certain aspects of parenting and centring our relationship, when I really had to get him to do something, he would be understanding and want to cooperate. Which is actually not what I found would happen.

But this all in its way created its own kind of problems. DS1 used to be extremely anti getting dressed, for example. I just assumed that was normal toddler/young child stuff - it's not an uncommon parenting battle, of course. But when I had more children years later with a DH who is a bit more traditional and just gets on with things, he would get them dressed every morning even if they didn't want to. I at first thought why would you even bother, this is making more work for you for no reason. But then I realised that actually, DS2 being used to getting dressed every single morning means that while he will do the usual "No I don't want to/I'll do it later" it's momentary and he gets over this fairly quickly and it's not that difficult to persuade him. All of the "usual tricks" like letting him have a choice, or pretending to be a clothes delivering robot, are usually highly effective, whereas they didn't have a chance in hell of working with DS1. I assumed that this was because DS2 was probably NT and DS1 is not. But actually as DS2 gets older he is quite clearly not NT, and in fact we're reaching a stage where he is just as, or even perhaps more, explosive/reactive than DS1. And I think that I really just underestimated the power of just setting children's expectations. DS2 expects that he will get dressed every single morning, except perhaps the occasional day where he's really so ill that he doesn't move off the sofa (and, TBH, even the majority of ill days, he gets dressed.) DH - not really me - created that expectation by pushing through even when he got resistance. And because he's expecting to get dressed, it means that it's fairly easy to get him to get dressed. Sometimes he even does it all by himself! Often there is some persuasion needed, but in general, it's something that he knows will happen one way or another and so he isn't particularly opposed to it.

Also, when we did then want to go out later in the day, it means that we can simply get shoes, coats on and go. Whereas I remember with DS1 it being the most frustrating exercise ever to leave the house and it would take HOURS and leave me stressed and sometimes crying and him stressed and sometimes crying, we would be late for everything, I never brushed either of our hair, he rarely wore proper clothing for the season, we generally were a bit of a mess. I remember posting on MN in a fit of rage/despair at the fact that I would be busy getting one shoe on him while he was merrily taking the other sock off and flinging that sock and shoe somewhere. And laughing manically. (Nobody could relate, BTW! Because they probably weren't ADHD parents of ADHD kids.)

The expectation wasn't there. The habit wasn't there. I think ADHD makes me instantly go "Ugggggh!" at the notion of habits and routines and expectations. But they are necessary with young children because they really really need things to be predictable.

With DS1, because he was not expecting to be made to get dressed it was a massive drama and palaver every time we did it. And when he wasn't dressed already, when I wanted to leave the house I had to perform an entire thing with so many steps in order to get us both to a state where we could leave the house. (Multi step tasks... ADHD...) I needed to get dressed. I needed to get myself into a calm headspace to persuade him to get dressed. Then I needed to actually dress him. This is assuming there was even any clean washing. Then there would be sensory meltdowns about not having his favourite clothes, wanting short sleeves in the middle of winter etc. By this time he'd be dysregulated, I'd be dysregulated. We'd come downstairs and have another argument about the weather. Because I had time blindness I would now be stressing/panicking about us being late. This would make everything more difficult and lead to the taking one shoe off while I put the other one on scenario.

This is all a long winded way of saying that although maybe it seems like it's easier not to do certain things, it can actually create more problems and I've basically learned to look at general parenting (or other) expectations as "things people have discovered help life in general run more smoothly". I do not always have to understand WHY they are there but I should probably try to do them, and only examine them more critically if/when they are causing problems.

I know that runs counter to a lot of ND advice, which basically says that you don't need to follow NT expectations if they are actively making life difficult for you, and I have absolutely no answer to this except that it is most likely a Middle Way thing - where some people are trying much too hard to stick to too many NT life expectations and hurting because of it, whereas some people (like me with parenting) are turning too far in the opposite direction and struggling because of it.

Another example, in case this post was not long enough - family dinner.

YES - in theory, it's possible to achieve all the individual aspects of family dinner: Feeding everyone, economising food production, teaching table manners, encouraging trying new foods, cooking from scratch, talking to your children, having a screen-free period of the day - without family dinner. But family dinner is a way to achieve all of these things at once and once it's a habit, nobody questions it. I thought that because it was hard for me to do family dinner, I would save work by addressing each aspect separately but it turns out that I just don't address most of them. Everyone gets fed, the others are questionable.

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