Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches Feedback Thread NOW CLOSED

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Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches provide drug free soothing pain relief from pregnancy related muscular back pain. Like an ice pack, but more convenient and easy to use, Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches work by cooling the skin and underlying tissue helping to reduce both pain and swelling.

Here's what Deep Freeze say: "Back pain affects three out of four pregnant women yet many areunaware of the risks of taking certain medication during pregnancy according to new research. But there is no need to grin and bear the muscular aches and pains of pregnancy as just over half (55%) of women currently do."

They go on to say: "The cryotherapy (cold cooling pain relief therapy) provided by Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patch provides fast acting, self-adhesive, cooling pain relief to the affected area for up to 3 hours."

So testers, please share on this thread your opinion on the following: all comments welcome!

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?

Everyone who tests the product and adds feedback as required will be entered into a prize draw where one tester will win £250 worth of John Lewis vouchers.

Please note your feedback and comments may be used by the team at Deep Freeze on social media and elsewhere. New pregnancy symptoms, including backache, should always be discussed with your doctor or midwife.

Thanks and good luck,

MNHQ

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Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.
I am currently Breastfeeding and have lower back pain and a wobbly pelvis since my last pregnancy. Mostly low level pain with occasional problems when I carry my little boy for too long.

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?
Quite easy to apply. Wrinkled up a bit as I was putting it on but it didn't stick to itself so it was ok. Smell was ok but a bit like old people! Listed for at least 2 hours but I went to sleep so probably lasted longer.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?
Comforting and distracted from the pain.

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain? A useful thing to have in the medicine cupboard. Long shelf life, not messy like creams. I would buy them in future.

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers? Yes.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money? I think that is you injure yourself, you will need several applications over several days so would easily use a 4 pack or maybe even more. In this case it would be an expensive way to treat back pain.

Q1- I am still breastfeeding my ten month old and try to avoid painkillers if possible. I have lower back pain from time to time- a throwback I think from pregnancy which seems to flare if I sit and feed badly or if i carry DD for any length of time. I was interested to try these and see if they helped.

Q2- It was hard to apply the patch without it folding over and sticking to itself which was a bit annoying. It seemed to fall off quite easily when I moved around and at best lasted about an hour and a half. I think if it had sticky bits around the edge it would hold on better.

Q3- The patch was quite soothing especially when it was first put on and I certainly feel it helped. It was a nice tingly sensation when you first put it on.

Q4- given how quickly the patch fell off and the price I would not buy it again I think, which is a shame as I wanted it to work a bit better. I would think about buying them if they could get them to stick for longer.

Q5- I think I would only recommend them if someone was really desperate and I would tell them the flaws. Perhaps if they used surgical. Tape themselves it would stick better but for the price they should not have to.

Q6- I feel a bit guilty writing this since you kindly sent a me free sample but £1.65- are you kidding. If they were really good I might have considered 50p each as ok, although still would only have bought them if desperate or on offer. However given their flaws I think that is extremely overpriced.

Thanks for sending them to me. I hope you can make these stick better and then they would be great.

The patch fell off while I was sat Breastfeeding my baby. Not ideal!

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.
I am currently 11 weeks pregnant. I wanted to try the patches as I've always used heat patches in the past (pre-pregnancy) and never thought I'd like the cold patches. I have degenerative discs in my lower back which often causes severe muscular spasms around the crumbling bones. Pre-pregnancy I would often be prescribed strong muscle relaxants and/or sedatives to ease the pain. At it's worst I cannot get out of bed without being in agony. However, now I am pregnant I won't take any medications other than those prescribed for pregnancy ie folic acid, heparin, pregnacare etc

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?
I found it a bit tricky to find the edge of the plastic covering to peel off initially. Once I'd eventually found the edge (after about 10-15 minutes of fiddling!) it was easy to apply. I found it easiest to remove about 1/4 of the covering, bend it back, slide the still covered side on to the area of my back that I needed the pain relief, then once I was happy with the positioning, I would stick the 1/4 of the patch that was uncovered and then slowly peel back the rest of the plastic cover to stick the patch to my back. Sadly I only felt relief for around an hour but that was enough on each occasion to relieve the pain enough for me to either take a nap (the joys of first trimester!) or to get comfortable in a chair or whilst driving etc. The major downside was that I needed relief on my lower back which happened to be right in the middle of my waistband. This meant that if I was moving about/mobile the patch would often roll up and sometimes if I was sitting down and moved a little then the patch would stick to clothing or furniture and I wouldn't always know it had moved until it stopped working/the pain relief wore off

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?
Yes, very much so for the first hour.

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?
If I could afford them or if they were on special offer etc then, yes, I'd definitely buy them again. Until I trialled these patches there was no way I'd have ever considered purchasing cold patches as I've always been someone who'd choose heat therapy over cold therapy any day. Thankfully they were not as intensely cold as I find ice packs and cold gel packs etc (even when wrapped in towels). Much, much better than I'd ever expected them to be! I would even use them in the winter on a cold frosty morning and I'd never have thought I would say that in a million years before taking part in this trial so thank you!

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?
Most definitely. And even if they could take oral painkillers, I would still recommend them as it's a better alternative to taking oral medication!

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?
Sadly these prices would mean that I would be unable to afford these on a regular basis. I may buy the occasional multi-pack but would definitely be rationing their usage. I would not buy these regularly, or indeed as often as I would like to. I would feel much more comfortable with 2 for £1.99 or perhaps 5 for £4.49 or at least less than £5.00 for 5. £1.65 each is probably ok for a one off 'desperate' purchase but I would rarely buy a single patch for £1.65 and certainly wouldn't buy a 4 pack for £5.49. If it was 5 for £4.49 (or even £4.99) I would be much more likely to 'throw' them in with my grocery shopping on a more frequent basis. I would probably purchase a reusable gel ice pack for use at home and would purchase the patches for use when out and about (when a reusable cold pack wouldn't be practical). Exactly the same way as I used my plug in heat pad and stick on one-use heat patches before pregnancy.

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.
I am breastfeeding my 18 week old daughter. During pregnancy I suffered with pelvic pain and my lower back is still affected. It makes things like changing my daughter or lifting her very uncomfortable.

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last? It was easy for me, I use heat patches for period pain and it was very similar.It does wrinkle up sometimes as you move around but smoothing it back in place did work. I found it lasted around 2.5 hours.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains? Yes, it gave real relief to my backache and meant I could carry out usually painful tasks more easily, it was also very comfortable in this hot weather.

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain? Yes

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers? I will tell others about the patch method as I have had help from both hot and cold patches. I think it is a good alternative to medicines.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money? I think it is reasonable value, I would be much more likely to buy them if it was £1 a patch though.

Q1 I have a 12 week old baby and a four year old and wanted to try the patches as I have recurrent lower back pain. The pain is niggling and persistent and very irritating when I'm trying to keep up with and look after two little people, a husband and a house!

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?

Given the site of my pain, I found it quite tricky to apply the patch without it folding over and sticking to itself, as the patch is necessarily very sticky! Unfortunately, once on it did not stay attached brilliantly well as the edges would catch on my clothes and start to peel off. It stayed on most effectively if I could sit in one place. Great for office workers; not ideally for busy mums.

Q3 Once the patch was on, the initial blast of cold was (shocking!) very refreshing and I found I could only feel the cold, not the pain. The relief was instant and lovely! Throughout the next few hours, the initial effect wore off but the patch seemed to activate randomly when I was moving about, sometimes cool and sometimes warm. Both effects were soothing. When I needed a boost in the effect, gently pressing on the patch worked well.

Q4 If the price were good and I found a way to use them without them being pulled off by my clothes, I would definitely buy them.

Q5 Definitely. For those who don't want to use medication, these would be great.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money? I think this is very expensive for the product as it only provides temporary relief and still has a few issues with usage. The effect of each patch doesn't last long so, for a days' relief, you'd easily use the whole pack. Too much money for a pregnant mummy looking for an answer. Maybe would be more success with a different target group? For example, I gave one to my dad before he went on a long car journey as he has trouble with his back seizing up. He found the pad was very effective at preventing this and would buy this product as he wouldn't need a whole pack every day :)

Q1 I'm breastfeeding my 5 month old. I've always had back ache probably due to my job, driving, posture etc. It's bad at moment due to lifting toddler and baby. I don't like taking painkillers when breastfeeding unless pain really bad.

Q2 Fairly easy to apply on lower back but needed help on upper back. Instructions were straightforward. Lovely fresh cool feeling which lasted couple of hours. However after an hour patch came loose and felt like it was going to drop off.

Q3 I found it did soothe the pain and brought a relief from the dull aches. And unlike pain relief meds got pain relief immediately.

Q4 I was unsure about using the patches as I didn't not see how cold patches would work I've previously found heat bags useful. I was pleasantly surprised. I would possibly buy again if the back pain persists I can also see how they would be good for sprains etc however I am put off by the price.

Q5 I have recommended them to my mum who also suffers with pain. She does not like taking painkillers regularly.

Q5 I think £1.65 for one is too expensive. I would expect it to be half the price if I'm honest.

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.
I am 32 weeks pregnant with a 2 year old dd and I suffer from back pain regularly anyway. I also seem to have severe PGP this pregnancy. Some mornings I can't walk and I have crutches. But the muscles in my back ache something chronic so that's why I wanted the patches.

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?
I had to get my husband to apply the patch as I couldn't reach the spot properly and it was relatively easy to apply.
I had it on for just over 2 hours and it was still cool when I removed it for bed.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?
I think they did but not much. I had it in 2 places and it definitely worked better on the tight muscle in my lower back as opposed to the muscles more in the middle of my back (still on one side, not on my spine!)

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?
I'm not sure I would buy them. I have tried the gel and think that works better. Doesn't last as long but the patches peel and I felt like it was constantly falling off and sliding.

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?
I would recommend them, but I would recommend the gel first.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?
No, I think this is too expensive for a disposable product. During pregnancy and breastfeeding I could visit my gp and get perfectly safe painkilling products such as pills or creams etc for free on prescription. I would likely buy a single patch for about 75p and a pack of 4 for £2.
Otherwise, pregnancy and new baby is the most financially straining time of life and £5.49 is far too much.... More then nappies!!

Q1. I'm still breastfeeding my 18month old twice a day and increasingly have a sore back from lifting him in and out of his buggy / high chair or carrying him when he tires if we are out and about. He is on the 90th centile so is quite a weight! The pain is a dull ache, usually worse at the end of a day.

Q2. The patch is easy to use. If my husband is around I ask him to put it on as it is quicker but I can apply it myself. The patches last the advertised three hours.

Q3. The patch helped ease my ache. The cooling effect was pretty quick after I'd put the patch on. I was surprised just how cold the patch got, the effect was initially like someone had placed a wet sponge on my back - very pleasant in this hot weather but not sure how welcome that may be in colder weather. Wearing the patch definitely helps to relieve the nagging pains I had.

Q4. I would buy the patches again.

Q5. I would definitely recommend the patches, especially for use out of the home.

Q6. The patches are not cheap, especially the single pack, but are effective and allow the user to continue with day to day activities, which isn't possible if you use a cooling wheat bag or similar product. I used the patches whilst on holiday and they were light to pack away.

Q1 I'm breastfeeding DD, 5 months, and she was tonguetied and still has a very high palate, so I have to feed her using specific holds to achieve a deep enough latch. That means my back is suffering horribly - the feeding specialist who saw us said that was her primary concern. It aches really badly and sometimes "locks" if I turn to reach for something. I'm fine if I am propped with pillows to feed, but obviously that's not always feasible. And nor are hot water bottles or ice packs when out at soft play or shopping or a cafe.

Q2 It was hard to position, but that's because the pain is between my shoulder blades - small of back, fine. It lasted a good couple of hours.

Q3 It did relieve the pain. In this weather it was lovely, too!

Q4 I will use these again when out and about. It relieves burning pain very well, and an ice pack isn't practical in those situations.

Q5 Yes, I would recommend them for pain relief out of the home.

Q5 It seems expensive, frankly. I won't use them all the time, but for days when it's bad, and I have to go out and do things, then worth every penny.

Marking place. Have done a week wth these now

I was 38 weeks pregnant with lower back and groin pain. It meant I had to think about my posture and day to day lining much more.
Extremely easy to apply and worked for about 3 hours. Effective within 30 mins
Yes definitely helped
Possibly. Quite expensive tho
Yes
I think it's quite expensive for five patches when I can buy similar products and reuse them

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.

breastfeeding, though don't like to take much medication in general. i have a old sports injury which flairs up from time to time

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?

easy to apply, lased about 2 hours

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?

i'd say it was great for swelling. didn't try on aches as much prefer a hot bath for muscle aches

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?

no, expensive and single use feels wasteful

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?

maybe

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?
expensive

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.

I'm breastfeeding my very active 19 mo old son. As he's got bigger I've noticed an increased tension in my lower back and now neck and upper back. I'm hypermobile and so some muscles are over working and compensating others! I used to do a lot of martial arts etc but not now and so I think my body is suffering! I recently had a very bad phase of back pain following a very bad bout of sickness and a virus that my son had - so lots of holding and feeding!

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?

I could apply easily to my back and upper shoulders; if not my husband would have helped. It took a while to feel anything but after about half an hour I noticed the cooling effect and pain was definitely relieved. I've been keeping them on for several hours and notice the effect lasts around 3 hours.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?
Yes, I feel they helped recovery. I found them especially useful to wear to work. I work with SEN children which can also be hands on!

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?

Definitely.

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?

Yes I would, though I would have to comment on the price.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?

No - too expensive when on maternity leave. However I've often had sore wrists and will use them to support at work next time they flare up.

Thank you for allowing me to take part in this survey, it's been an eye opener into how cold therapy could help!

Q1 I started using them when pregnant with back pain - they were fantastic as I didn't want to be stuck on the sofa, I am now breastfeeding and I have started using them on pains due to holding my little one my upper back has started to hurt.
Q2 Very easy to apply, with no sticky residue left on the skin when removing. They last for about 3 hours

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?

Q4 Yes , I even brought myself another packet

Q5 They are a great alternative to painkillers!

Q5 I would get the bigger pack as its less, but I'd only use them more when I really need them

Q1 Breastfeeding a one year old. I have aching muscles and joints through walking and pushing the buggy long distances and also after buggy fit classes!

Q2 In some places - hip and knees in particular the patch was easy to place and stayed stuck for almost the full 3 hours (perhaps because they were under clothes?). I did have trouble getting the patches to stick on my ankle and also my neck/shoulder area.

Q3 Yes, the patch really helped my hip in particular. It stayed on for a long time and really reduced the aching and pain.

Q4 I will certainly continue to use them and would use them in future.

Q5 Yes, I would recommend them to friends or relations.

Q5 When compared to heat packs it is quite good value for money - it's not something you'd use that often so it wouldn't be a huge expense.

Q1 I am breastfeeding. The muscles in my upper back go into spasm every six months or so. When this happens my movements are limited and the spasms cause a lot of pain. It is painful to lift my
Q2 Due to the location of my pain, someone else had to apply the patch. It stayed in place until I removed it.

Q3 The patch was not cold enough to impact on my pain. Freezer packs are more effective. My brother-in-law used one on his sprained ankle and found that it provided him some relief.

Q4 No, they were not effective.

Q5 Perhaps for lower back strain.

Q5 I think this is a lot to pay for a disposable item.

Hi

1. I'm pregnant. I wanted to try these patches to relieve pain in my lower back caused by sitting / lying for long periods of time. These pains usually occur in the evening and during the night.

1. Very easy to apply. Sticker easy to remove and pad easy to stick to skin.

It lasts all night (the patch not the relief)

1. It was lovely & cooking & yes did help to relieve the pains!

1. I would but them again YES! I will continue to use them.

1. Totally would recommend.

1. I think they should be cheaper per patch .

Many thanks! These have been awesome!

WG

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis - I'm breast feeding and have had my first sciatica attack. As well as the specific lower back pain, I've got additional pain in my hips, knees and upper back probably because I've been sleeping and moving so awkwardly. I'm taking ibuprofen but my GP won't prescribe anything stronger because I'm bf (and, of course!, I have a bottle refusing baby).

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last? - the patch is easy to apply and reapply as long as you can see where you're putting it. I needed help to get it on my back. It's funny how i couldn't feel anything happening, but then suddenly realised that I wasn't in pain anymore. This lasted a good couple of hours.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains? - yes! I've not had any agonising days since I tried them, but I feel confident that they make a difference with mild-moderate pain.

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain? - yes

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers? - yes

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money? - I feel they're overpriced and would actively be looking for special offers.

Thanks for letting me try these, perfectly timed!

Oh! Should have explained that these didn't make any real difference to the sciatica itself, but really improved the referred pain (from walking so oddly).

Breastfeeding and developed postnatal hypothyroidism which causes joint and muscle pain

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?

I used it on my shoulders and back. I left them on for up to 2 hours.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?

Not always, but predominantly yes

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?

I didn't really like the cold burn feeling. I think I prefer warmth but yes I would use them again for certain muscular pains

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?

Yes I would.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?

For short term muscular pain yes but longer term pain then no.

Q1 Please say whether you are pregnant, breastfeeding etc and why you wanted to try the patches. Please describe how the muscular aches and pain affect you on a day to day basis.

Currently pregnant in the third trimester and have started to get continual lower back pain which I find hard to get rid of. Makes me grumpy each day.

Q2 Please describe the application of the patch- how was it to apply? How long did it last?

Easy to apply, although I needed someone else to do it for me to get it in the right place. I kept each patch on for 4 hours but by 2 hrs they were starting to peel off at the edges a bit. Pain relief lasted for 4 hrs.

Q3 Did the patch help relieve muscular aches and pains?

Yes, it did help. It's didn't completely make me pain free but it did lessen the pain.

Q4 Do you think you'd buy the patches again or continue to use them if you had a similar muscular ache or pain?

Yes, I probably would buy again if the price was right.

Q5 Would you recommend them to friends or relations who are also pregnant or breastfeeding or unable to take oral painkillers?

Yes, it's another option, I might like to use them for back pain in early labour too... But pregnant women can take paracetamol which is a lot cheaper.

Q5 Deep Freeze Pain Relief Cold Patches cost £1.65 for a single patch and £5.49 for a 4 pack: do you consider this to be good value for money?

It's bordering on the expensive side for me but if they were on offer I'd stock up.

Q1. I'm 7 months pregnant and do 13 hour shifts as a nurse. My back is increasingly becoming more painful lower down making weight bearing very difficult after a few hours at work. Also at night getting comfortable due being on my feet makes sleeping broken after a shift.

Q2. They were relatively easy once I got the hang of them as they are very sticky and tend to stick to itself if not careful.

Q3. Yes! Very soothing and allowed me to walk around more comfortably!

Q4. I would definitely buy them again especially for pregnancy and will hopefully benefit me with aches from feeding!

Q5. Yes I would recommend them.

Q6. I think they are expensive but as they do benefit me and I'm so wary of taking pain killers the expense would outweigh having to take actual medication.

Q1. Breastfeeding. I have Lower Back pain
Every now and again which I have been treating with paracetamol and a hot water bottle.

Q2. They were really easy to apply and started to work straight away. I even cut one in half to use on a smaller area and this worked well.

Q3. Yes. Worked really well! Was pleasantly surprised!

Q4. I would absolutely recommend these.

Q5. Very fair price, think as long as you keep them under £2 per patch then you're on the right lines.