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Live chat with William Gray, award winning family travel journalist - Mon 7th July 1-2pm

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CatherineMumsnet · 03/07/2008 10:04

Hello all,
Just to let you know that we'll be welcoming William Gray for a chat on all things family travel related on Monday July 7th between 1-2pm.

Will has been a travel journalist for over 15 years. He's travelled extensively with his children, Ellie & Joe - now 7, whilst researching his family travel guide Travel With Kids.

So if you're still undecided about your summer and are looking for something a bit different, or if you'd like to know the top 5 destinations at half term and if you'd take toddlers to South America/ india etc, then please come along.

If you can't make it on the day, please post your questions in advance here. Otherwise - see you on Monday.

MNHQ

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WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:21

Hi YellowBrickRoad. Great to hear you?ve still got the ?wanderlust?! You?re absolutely right, most family adventure operators have a minimum age, although it?s often as low as five or six. There are one or two companies, however, that offer ?infant adventures? for families with children as young as two. If you can wait for your one-year-old to reach that age, then Families Worldwide (www.familiesworldwide.co.uk) and The Adventure Company (www.adventurecompany.co.uk) can whisk you off to places like Morocco, Egypt, Jordan and Sri Lanka. Families Worldwide, for example, has a nine-day trip (minimum age two) to Sri Lanka, based at a south-coast beach club with optional excursions inland from around £899 per adult and £769 per child including flights.

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:23

Hi Bizageza. It?s still going to be warm in Crete and other southern Med destinations. For something more exotic (but not flying too far in half term) you could consider Egypt or Jordan which won?t have the stifling temperatures of mid-summer. Plenty of Red Sea resorts have excellent children?s facilities. Dubai would also be an good bet ? loads to keep the kids occupied (Wild Wadi water park etc) and some amazing hotels.

batters · 07/07/2008 13:24

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OverMyDeadBody · 07/07/2008 13:27

Hi Will,

It's not necessary to go to places with specific children's features and entertainment is it? Kids have fun anywhere. Surely it's nothing more than another way to make us part with our money and make the cost of the holiday spiral upwards?

Tenmoreminutes · 07/07/2008 13:28

Hello Will,
I'd love to go to Italy but I have 2 small children. Any top tips on how to keep kids entertained on a city break? Also is there such a thing as a cheap city break? Even two nights seems to be a small fortune for such a short break...

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:31

Hi batters

With its pavement mosaics, street performers and market stalls, the 1km pedestrian thoroughfare of La Rambla is a good starting point for exploring Barcelona. At the harbour end, the 80m tall Monument a Colom offers views towards the otherworldly spires of Gaudí?s Sagrada Família, while nearby Port Vell has an aquarium, IMAX cinema and even a moored submarine. A second day in Barcelona could easily be spent exploring Castell de Montjuïc (reached by cable-car) and the open-air cultural museum of Poble Espanyol. As a reward for all that city sightseeing, take the funicular to the Tibidabo funfair.

Get hold of a Barcelona Card (available from tourist office) for free public transport as well as discounted entry to attractions.

Have a great trip!

MarsLady · 07/07/2008 13:32

Will... where's good for me and 5 children (between 4-15) to go?

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:32

Hello ginghamgiraffe. And hello, too, to Tenmoreminutes! Great to get your questions. We took our twins to Naples and Puglia when they were 15 months old ? so a bit older than your son, but I can completely sympathise with your dilemmas. I?m sure you?ve already thought (and packed!) lots of these, but for keeping cool:

  • take a sun canopy/parasol for your buggy
  • loose 100 per cent cotton clothing is cooler
  • avoid midday sun
  • check out www.thekidswindow.co.uk ? they have a range of sun-protection suits, hats, creams, baby sunglasses etc for babies
  • SPF 50 beach tent/UV tent is a good idea for instant shade wherever you are
  • here?s a nifty idea (although we haven?t tried this one ourselves) ? it?s called Wallaboo ? an infant car seat cover that absorbs heat and keeps babies cool.

In Naples, we often sought out churches and cloisters ? always cool and shady!

batters · 07/07/2008 13:34

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Twiglett · 07/07/2008 13:35

Do you think it justifiable that family brands like First Choice should charge a surplus of almost £40 to sit families together on their flights? Is this not against CAA guidelines?

YellowBrickRoad · 07/07/2008 13:36

By YellowBrickRoad on Fri 04-Jul-08 14:55:25
I'm on a strict budget this summer and am already panicking at the prospect of 6 weeks with no-where to go. Any tips on some great UK or Europe based hols that won't break the bank, preferably where I can escape the crowds too!
Just incase you missed me earlier!
Thanks for the help so far...

Twiglett · 07/07/2008 13:36

Is it possible to find a decent summer holiday for a family of 4 that won't cost over £2K all in?

Tortington · 07/07/2008 13:37

i wasnt to go to portaventura - any advice, tips, cheapo sits to book with?

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:37

Hi again Tenmoreminutes

You mentioned city breaks...

I suppose, more than anything, the city break embodies those heady days of pre-parenthood when, as a carefree couple, you could nip off to Paris or Rome with nothing more than an overnight bag and a pair of theatre tickets. You could dawdle over lunch, go shopping and take in an art gallery or two. With youngsters in tow it can become more like a city breakdown as you haul your bored offspring from one museum to another, desperately trying to do the sights between tantrums. The mistake new parents make (and I am as guilty as any) is to try to recapture the essence of a city break as it was before they had children. It rarely works.

The key to remaining sane in the city, we?ve found, is to re-prioritise. Don?t scour the city map for galleries and museums until you?ve pinpointed the parks, public toilets, family-friendly restaurants and nearest toy shop. As tempting as that new Picasso exhibition may be, begin your city escapade with something for the kids, whether it?s a hands-on exhibition, boat ride, trip to the zoo or making brass rubbings in the cathedral. With a bit of forward planning you can also pick out those major sites that have child-friendly activities, such as quiz sheets, craft areas, interactive exhibits etc

The cost issue. Yes, you're right, family accommodation in cities can be horrendously expensive. But there are alternatives. In Paris, for example, Eurocamp have a site in Maison Lafitte with excellent rail connections to the city centre, from £241 for seven nights in a two-bedroom mobile home.

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:39

Hello ginghamgiraffe. Great to get your question. We took our twins to Naples and Puglia when they were 15 months old ? so a bit older than your son, but I can completely sympathise with your dilemmas. I?m sure you?ve already thought (and packed!) lots of these, but for keeping cool:

  • take a sun canopy/parasol for your buggy
  • loose 100 per cent cotton clothing is cooler
  • avoid midday sun
  • check out www.thekidswindow.co.uk ? they have a range of sun-protection suits, hats, creams, baby sunglasses etc for babies
  • SPF 50 beach tent/UV tent is a good idea for instant shade wherever you are
  • here?s a nifty idea (although we haven?t tried this one ourselves) ? it?s called Wallaboo ? an infant car seat cover that absorbs heat and keeps babies cool.

In Naples, we often sought out churches and cloisters ? always cool and shady! As for essential kit to make the journey easier ? familiar comfort toy, plenty of wet wipes and changing gear (in a backpack), change of clothes etc, roll-up play mat. A baby sling/papoose is a good idea, fold-up stroller.

Good luck and have fun!

Tenmoreminutes · 07/07/2008 13:40

That sounds great - thanks Will, Paris looks like a good option, I may brave it after all!

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:47

Hi wannabesurfchick

Ah! Longhaul flights with toddlers! I was waiting for this one. Keeping a sense of humour is the best bit of advice I can give you! I could suggest things like surprise toys to keep them entertained (but they drop them, they roll off down the plane and you never see them again). In any case, they?ll be more interested in the detachable headrest covers?

But seriously, here are some of the tips for flying with children that I covered in my book, Travel with Kids:

At the time of booking
? Budget for children under two paying 10% of the adult fare, but remember that they have to sit on your lap and are not usually given a food or baggage allowance.
? Reserve seats so you can all sit together. If you are travelling with a baby, request bulkhead seats where bassinets can be fitted. Remember to obtain approval from the airline if you want to use your child?s car seat on the flight.
? Pre-order children?s meals.
? Check whether you can take your stroller to the boarding gate and where it will be available again after landing.
? Find out what other special children?s facilities may be available, such as goodie bags, seat-back entertainment systems etc.
? If possible, choose a daytime flight to minimise disturbance to sleeping routines.
? Arrange a meet-and-greet service with an airport parking operator such as Purple Parking (purpleparking.com). You simply drop your car off at departures, someone parks it for you and then has it waiting at arrivals when you return.

Packing for the journey
? Take all baby essentials in your hand luggage.
? Pack a supply of healthy snacks.
? Don?t forget to take a few sachets of Calpol (infants? paracetamol).
? Remember trainer cups with non-spill lids for toddlers.
? Have a few boiled sweets handy to help ears pop during the final descent.
? Pack a familiar pillow or soft toy to comfort and help children sleep.
? Help children to pack their own small inflight backpack.

The day before flying
? Try to keep things calm and normal.
? Eat light, bland meals so as not to risk upset stomachs.
? Sort out comfortable, loose-fitting clothes for the flight.

At the airport
? Get there in plenty of time so you?re not stressed out or stuck at the back of a half-mile-long check-in queue.
? Fit reins on toddlers to give them freedom ? safely.
? Find out if there?s a children?s play area.
? Before boarding, always check the floor where you?ve been sitting ? a favourite teddy or toy is bound to have been dropped there.
? Make use of priority boarding for families with young children.

During the flight
? Feed your baby on take-off and landing to reduce discomfort caused by changes in cabin pressure.
? Don?t be afraid to ask flight attendants for help, warming baby food etc
? Ensure your children drink little and often to ward off dehydration.
? Don?t drug your child with medicines, such as Piriton, unless you?ve tried them before flying. Although they can help some children sleep, other side effects include irritability or short-lived deep sleep followed by hyperactivity.
? Do try natural relaxants, such as lavender oil or camomile tea.
? If the cabin?s dry air causes discomfort to your child?s nose, lips or sinuses, try getting them to breathe through a handkerchief soaked in a little water.
? Don?t expect a toddler to be absorbed with one activity for the duration of the entire flight ? bring lots of toys, books and snacks to distract and amuse them.
? Take kids to the toilet well before the seatbelt signs come on for the final descent.
? Respect the comfort of other passengers by dealing firmly with unacceptable behaviour (such as children kicking the seat in front), but be prepared for some people to give you the ?raised eyebrow? treatment merely at the sight of your little darlings.
? Remember, the more you tell kids not to press the hostess call button the more they will do it.

Coping with jetlag
? Trans-continental, overnight flights will leave your children flagging, but try to keep them going during your first day. Help their body clocks readjust by getting outside, doing some moderate exercise and drinking plenty of water. A few gentle hours in a local park is ideal. There?s nothing wrong with them grabbing a short nap, but try to get them to bed at the same time as they would back home. Then just pray that they sleep through.

willow · 07/07/2008 13:53

Also, another thought - if you are going to do Disney, when's the best time to go to miss the huge crowds? And is there anywhere else theme park wise that compares that isn't so busy? And... how best to do that mix of theme park and somewhere else nice out Florida way so that you keep both kids and parents happy? Orlando villas look so municipal.

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:53

Hi overmydeadbody

You're absolutely right - kids can have just as much fun building a sandcastle for free in Lyme Regis as they can being entertained in a kids club at a five star resort on Antigua!

Different families want different things.

No time to debate this now, but happy to return to it later...

Cheers
Will

CatherineMumsnet · 07/07/2008 13:54

We've got just over five more minutes with Will so last chance to post a question

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MarsLady · 07/07/2008 13:55

5 children and me. I don't drive. Where to?

Tortington · 07/07/2008 13:55

portaventura plllllllllllllease anything at all especially about booking it cheaply

PrincessPeaHead · 07/07/2008 13:55

come stay with me, marsy

WelliesAndPyjamas · 07/07/2008 13:56

Oh, just saw this thread in active convos. Hope there's time for my Q...

back in a sec

OverMyDeadBody · 07/07/2008 13:57

Thanks for acknowledging my question!

Pity we can't debate it further. Of course all families have different needs, and shoudl have whatever holidays they choose, whether it involves regimented entertainment or carefreee mountain hiking!