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Live chat with William Gray, award winning family travel journalist - Mon 7th July 1-2pm

187 replies

CatherineMumsnet · 03/07/2008 10:04

Hello all,
Just to let you know that we'll be welcoming William Gray for a chat on all things family travel related on Monday July 7th between 1-2pm.

Will has been a travel journalist for over 15 years. He's travelled extensively with his children, Ellie & Joe - now 7, whilst researching his family travel guide Travel With Kids.

So if you're still undecided about your summer and are looking for something a bit different, or if you'd like to know the top 5 destinations at half term and if you'd take toddlers to South America/ india etc, then please come along.

If you can't make it on the day, please post your questions in advance here. Otherwise - see you on Monday.

MNHQ

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WillGray · 07/07/2008 11:09

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willow · 07/07/2008 11:11

And just out of curiosity - and this is to everyone debating the point of chats like this - but don't you ever read the travel sections in papers/magazines etc for ideas and inspiration?

WilliamGray · 07/07/2008 11:12

yes and i ahet the journos who go free and dont haev to fork out 3k in school holdiays thus payin for their principles or because they are underpaid teachers.

journos reviews of places are VERY unreliable

Astrophe · 07/07/2008 11:19

Hi William.
DH and I and two kids (ages 2 and 4) are hitting the road in our Campervan this summer.

We are starting at Calais and driving roughly clockwise around Europe, up to Amsterdam, accross Germany,Chzech Rep, West Austria, North Italy, back up to Switzerland, down to Spain, then back up through France. We have 3 1/2 months and a tight budget.

We are taking bikes. We like walking (bear in mind the kids don't though!), exploring villages, eating, soaking up the atmosphere.

Please can I have your best sugestions of destinations, best tips, and, specifically, the name of a lovely village in North Italy where we can laze about for a week and eat lots of delicious authentic Italian food cooked by a homely Italian Mama.

Thanks.

ginghamgiraffe · 07/07/2008 11:26

Hi Will

I'm not looking for destination advice as DH and I are heading to S. Italy at the weekend for a fortnight, where the temperature is in the 30s mostly at the moment.

This chat has come just in time for me though as we're going with my 3.5 month old, who's a precious first born, which makes me a CLUELESS first timer!!

Any top tips on how to keep him cool?

What about essential kit to pack to make the journey easier? (we have a VERY early (0610) flight)
Anything I DON'T need that travel guides tell you to take?
I seem to be packing everything at the moment!
Thanks in advance

theRealWilliamGray · 07/07/2008 11:28

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Astrophe · 07/07/2008 11:32

(Gingamgirrafe -not to steal WG's thunder, but if it is seriously hot and you are BFing, take a muslin, soak it, then ring it right out and wrap your DS in it when you feed him. I did this a lot feeding DD in Austraia, when she just wouldn't settle for a feed as she felt so hot with me holding her. The damp muslin also helps if draped over the buggy or tied to the side of the cot or whatever, just keeps the air a bit cooler.)

PestoMonster · 07/07/2008 11:36

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WilliamGray2009 · 07/07/2008 11:40

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ginghamgiraffe · 07/07/2008 11:59

Thanks for top tip astrophe - wouldn't have thought of that at all.

WilliamGray · 07/07/2008 11:59

lol

YellowBrickRoad · 07/07/2008 12:02

Thanks Overmydeadbody - I think it's a confidence thing, it's easy to stick to places that scream 'kids club' or 'family entertainment' and the fact is that travelling with kids in the holidays is sooo expensive, I don't want to waste my money or the precious holiday time we have so I guess I'm looking for some inspiration!

YellowBrickRoad · 07/07/2008 12:05

Another one!
Do you think it's worth hanging on til the last minute to get cheaper deals or is that a bit of a myth these days? (especially in the summer hols)

luckylady74 · 07/07/2008 12:15

sorry Moondog - I obviously didn't recall correctly as I thought you lived/ travelled somewhere like Turkey. Tbh I just need to calm down, book stuff and prepare my son!

MarsLady · 07/07/2008 12:37

By MarsLady on Fri 04-Jul-08 12:00:30
So William: How about travelling alone with 5 children ranging between 4 and 16? Any suggestions (other than "stay home you fool!")

In case you missed it!

AbbyMumsnet · 07/07/2008 12:46

Hi all, just a heads up that William will be here in 15 minutes or so, so get those questions in now.

themildmanneredjanitor · 07/07/2008 12:46

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AbbyMumsnet · 07/07/2008 13:01

Hi all,

Right, well we're delighted to say that the award winning travel journalist, William Gray is here now and ready to answer all your queries. Be gentle with him!

Over to you, William.

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:02

Hi everyone. Thanks for inviting me on to this chat. Looks like there are lots of questions already, so I?ll get cracking on?

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:03

Hi there luckylady74, how about this: Go Camping (www.gocampinguk.co.uk) offers ready-pitched tents at four locations in Suffolk from £319 per week during the high season. Or if you can stretch your budget (and your legs!), you can join a self-guided cycle tour staying at all four campsites! Each tent comes with four campbeds (with pillows), plus fridge, BBQ, electric lights and even somewhere to charge your mobile.

And to answer question 2? hmmmm, I wonder if Croatia might fit the bill? Or for something more far-flung, Zanzibar certainly has that mix of beaches, history, kid-friendly resorts and superb snorkeling that you?re looking for.

Have a great holiday!

Bizageza · 07/07/2008 13:06

What suggestions do you have for a warm holiday (ideally with seaside swimming) in October half term. Having endured a British summer I think we'll need something to brighten us up . Children are 2 and a half, 7 and nearly 10

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:07

Hi Nbg (question posted Sat 10.42), you raise a really important point. I think the whole ?expense? issue is going to be a recurring theme in this discussion ? family holidays aren?t cheap, but as you found by splitting costs in Majorca, there are ways you can save money. Here are some other general tips which I hope you?ll find useful:

  1. Trawl the internet for bargains. It sounds obvious, but this is where you?ll find special online deals, which can range from free child places to extra days.
  2. You can?t beat the self-drive, self-catering option for a great-value family holiday. Simply throw some camping gear into the back of your car and mainland Europe is yours for a fraction of the cost of a package deal.
  3. With pre-school children you can dodge high-season premiums and take them on holiday whenever you choose. But even when you?re confined to school holidays it is still worth being selective about when you travel. For example, the last week in August is usually cheaper than the first and you may also find that mid-week flights offer better value than weekend ones.
  4. Choose countries where the pound is strong and the cost of living is low. Turkey and Tunisia, for example, are relatively cheap compared to more traditional Mediterranean destinations like Greece and Spain. For long haul, consider Brazil and Mexico ? both represent excellent value and have plenty to offer families. If it?s warm winter beaches you?re after, think Goa rather than the Caribbean. And if you?re set on a safari, opt for countries like Namibia or South Africa where it?s easier and cheaper to do-it-yourself, compared to pricier, all-inclusive options in Botswana and Zambia. With the dollar at 2.0 to the pound, the United States is another good bet for eking out the family holiday fund ? particularly if you shop around for cheap flights to the east coast.
WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:14

Hi Rowlers (question posted Friday). Thanks for your question. How about Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia?!?! No, I?m serious! This little trio of Baltic countries has sandy beaches, comfortable summer temperatures (mid 20 degrees), activities like cycling and canoeing to keep the kids happy, lots of cultural interest, quirky self-catering places to stay, direct flights PLUS they?re good value. According to specialist tour operator, Baltic Holidays (www.balticholidays.com) ?In the Baltics it is possible for a whole family of four to have a 3 course meal, with drinks and still have change from a £20 note.?

But having said that, if you do end up returning to Wales this summer I shouldn?t worry ? we?re going camping in Pembrokeshire/the Gower ourselves and I reckon you?d be hard-pressed to find more beautiful and child-friendly beaches anywhere in Europe ? or the world for that matter.

On your second point about what?s the best way to book a holiday and ensure you get what you think you?re going to get, personal recommendations can be like gold dust. Also, check whether the operator is affiliated to an organization like AITO (www.aito.co.uk) where the members are not only passionate about their destinations and offer advice based on first-hand experience, but they are also bound by a strict code for providing clear and accurate information about their holidays.

Good luck this summer, and safe travels.

WillGray2008 · 07/07/2008 13:18

Hi Willow. Two places keep springing to mind as I read your questions: South Africa and Namibia. The Cape Provinces of South Africa are malaria free, as is the Madikwe/Waterberg region to the northwest of Jo?burg. We?ve taken our twins to both areas and they are fantastic family holiday destinations.

If you pick the Cape, for example, you can combine the Cape Peninsula (brilliant Two Oceans Aquarium at Cape Town, swimming with penguins at Boulders, visiting Robben Island [for older KS2?s] and taking the cable car up Table Mountain) with a self-drive tour of the Garden Route (dolphin watching at Plettenberg Bay, shell-seeking at Nature?s Valley, steam train ride at Knysna) with a safari in one of the reserves to the north of Port Elizabeth. Some of the private ones, like Madikwe and Shamwari, can be pricey but you?ll get superb accommodation and wonderful guides who will capture your children?s imagination with nuggets of bushlore.

In Northwest South Africa, stay at Madikwe Safari Lodge and kids can qualify as ?Planet Managers?, while Ant?s Nest offers a home-from-home experience deep in the African bush. To cap it all, the water wonderland of Sun City makes a convenient stopover en route to your safari.

We found Namibia had similar appeal to South Africa with good infrastructure for independent touring and excellent value family accommodation. Windhoek won?t leave your kids gawping (unless they?re into German colonial architecture), but Swakopmund is Adrenaline Central with all kinds of activities, from paragliding and kayaking to dune-boarding and 4x4 tours along the Skeleton Coast. Malaria is present in northern and eastern parts of Namibia, particularly from November to June, so that may strike Etosha National Park from your itinerary. Ultimately, though, a family trip to Namibia is about getting sand between your toes (and just about everywhere else). Sossusvlei?s giant sand dunes are the setting for the world?s ultimate roly-poly.

Out of Africa, malaria-free top spots would have to include the northeast coast of Brazil. Praia do Forte Ecoresort (www.ecoresort.com.br) has a good range of accommodation and is close to a turtle conservation project. You can learn to snorkel in reef-protected lagoons, visit the Historic District of Salvador, go humpback whalewatching (July to October) and explore the ruins of the medieval Garcia d?Avila castle.

Moving on to your general point about malaria, I think it?s too serious to ever stop worrying about it, particularly with very young children who are unlikely to relish the prospect of being smothered in mossie repellant or taking anti-malarials! We?ve taken our children to malaria zones a few times and even when you take every precaution (covering up at dusk, treating clothing with premetherin etc) you still find yourself lashing out at every winged insect that passes within a few feet of them. It?s not my job to give medical advice, but all I would say is think hard before taking children under five to a malaria zone and speak to your doctor/health advisor well in advance of your trip.

wannabesurfchick · 07/07/2008 13:18

Hi Will,
I find the whole concept of travelling with my kids a bit of a nightmare tbh, do you have any top tips on how to handle long haul flights with toddlers or how NOT to take half the contents of your house with you?

Thanks.

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