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Live online chat with Jan Parker, Tuesday May 14th 9-10.15pm

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Carriel · 08/05/2002 12:00

This coming Tuesday, May 14th at 9.00pm Mumsnet is hosting a live chat with Jan Parker. As well as being mumsnet's resident parenting expert Jan, together with her co-author Jan Stimpson, has also written the much acclaimed "Raising Happy Children". Praise for their latest book includes:
"Raising siblings isn?t easy, and being a sibling isn?t easy. For many of us it?s one of the most difficult roles we play. It must be wonderful to grow up with another person and be the best of friends. All parents who want to create an environment where their children can do this should read this book." ? Dr Dorothy Rowe, psychologist and writer

"At last, a book for parents with more than one child! Sibling Rivalry, Sibling Love is warm, thought-provoking and packed with helpful ideas. I thoroughly recommend it." - Belinda Phipps, chief executive of the National Childbirth Trust

You can post questions in advance for Jan below, or log on to this discussion to talk to her live on Tuesday night. The first 10 members to ask a question live on Tuesday will win a copy of Jan's latest book Sibling Rivalry, Sibling Love.

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nancy · 14/05/2002 21:06

Do you have an opinion about age gaps between children and jealousy/ sibling rivalry. We have two year old and I'm inclined to wait a bit before trying for another but then my sister and I have had our problems and there's a six year gap. Is there any good age or is it all down to parenting skills?

JanParker · 14/05/2002 21:07

Hi EK2 (how weird does that sound! Oh the joys of cyber communication!). You?re right. It does seem incredibly unfair to older ones when younger ones ?get away with it? ? and to younger ones when older brothers or sisters are granted greater freedoms as they grow.

We can help by listening to their understandable moans and letting them know we understand: ?You?re right. It is hard when a brother or sister seems to be treated differently?. We can explain why we have different expectations of different ages, and make it very clear that they would have been treated in much the same way when they were ?little?.

It also helps to have a space, somewhere in the home, where favourite games and possessions can be left safe and unmauled by baby brother or sister. And to accord precious possessions special status: ?That bear is your sister?s very special toy and we don?t play with it unless she says it?s OK?. Your little one is too young to understand all you are saying, but it will make a difference to your four-year-old that you?re saying it. Again, big topics, little time. Take a look at the chapter on Caring and Sharing. There are lots of good ideas, from many, many sources.

JanParker · 14/05/2002 21:09

Hi Mickie,
I?m pretty sceptical about any theory that implies that if you are the middle, the eldest, the youngest or whatever, you are somehow pre-destined to experience childhood in a certain way or grow into a certain ?type? of person. Yes, birth order is one small factor that may feed into the huge web of influences that shape experience and development, but it is a small one.

The research, as I see it, is pretty clear that many other things make much more difference to a child?s experience of siblinghood ? the temperament ?mix? of the children in the family; family and social circumstances; and crucially, the nature of family relationships.

What really will make a difference to each child is not where they come in the family order but whether they feel noticed, valued, loved. Whether they have a voice in the family. Whether their needs and feelings are respected. Whether they feel they shine and are appreciated simply for being themselves, not how they measure up in relation to their brothers and sisters.

tigermoth · 14/05/2002 21:09

HI Jan

My two sons get on really well at present - they are 2.5 years and 8 years. However, I predict fireworks when the oldest hits 13 (puberty) and the youngest is 8 (cheeky and a bit on the silly side, if he follows in the footsteps of his older brother as he is doing at present). How I can maintain peace and harmony now and in the future?

Thanks a million!

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Bev · 14/05/2002 21:10

I've got a son who's just two and I would like to have another baby but I'm not sure what the right age gap would be. I'm not sure whether it would be better for my son if he's a bit older and can understand that another baby is going to be coming to live with us. After being the centre of attention for two years, would it be hard for him to cope with a baby coming along? I'm not sure what to do for the best.

JanParker · 14/05/2002 21:11

Hi Scarletsmum.

You are very brave and honest, and obviously care very deeply about your relationship with your sister, and about your daughter.

You are absolutely right, too, to raise these issues here. The final chapter of our book goes into sibling relationships in adolescence and adulthood, precisely because they are so important to us and because of the clear link between what happens between siblings in childhood and how they feel about each other in later life. Feelings rooted in our childhood relationships with brothers and sisters affect us throughout life and even into old age in ways we might never have imagined. Which is why what we do as parents can make such a difference to our children?s relationships, sometimes for life.

Please don?t let your relationship with your sister put you off having another child if this is something you want to do. It is true that adults often tend to view the potential of their children?s relationships through the prism of their own experiences with siblings, but we can liberate our children from our past. As one dad told us: ?Just because my relations with my brothers were hostile doesn?t mean hostility between brothers is inevitable. Acutally, my boys seem to quite like each other.? You can encourage more positive bonds in your own children than you experienced yourself (see the chapter on Exploring Emotions: our feelings as parents, for further discussion of these issues).

You?ve both been through a lot of hurt, much of it unspoken, much of it expressed explosively and negatively by your sister, as supressed feelings tend to do. Again, this points to the importance of encouraging our children to express how they feel and to respect the feelings of others (see chap on Communication in families).

If anything, sibling relationships tend to increase in significance as people move beyond young adulthood towards their middle years. It is often one of the most precious relationships in old age. So, again, you are right to go by your instincts and not break all the ties. Keep in contact with your sister, even if just for occasional family get-togethers or to speak to one another on birthdays. Rifts are so much easier to heal if they haven?t degenerated into ?no contact? feuds.

It may also help to understand the nature of brother and sister relationships. Because they know each other so well, brothers and sisters know exactly where to aim when putting the boot in. It?s a ?no-holds barred? relationship, with even adults directing hurt at siblings when it is actually rooted elsewhere in their lives. After all, you can?t take it out on a friend or they may not be your friend tomorrow. Your sister will always be your sister.

It may help to recognise the childhood roots of most adult sibling bitterness and how, if we continue to replay the roles and rows of our youth, the same old emotions will come flooding back. Love also involves acceptance ? of faults, of mistakes, of the different experiences each child in the family will have, even of exactly the same event. Importantly, adults need to talk and to listen. Now may not be the time, but if you maintain contact, that time may come.

I hope this helps a little. Huge topics, not much space. Anybody else have thoughts on this?

Giggi · 14/05/2002 21:12

I have an older sister who was always brighter, easier, ate better, slept better, loved school etc etc and despite my parents best efforts I was always aware of being the sporty but unacademic, highly strung tricky sibling, who never quite achieved. Yet 20 odd years on we are good friends and actually ended up doing the same job via different means. My question is, given that it often goes that there's one "brighter" child in a family, is it possible or even desirable to eliminate sibling rivalry - I often wonder if I hadn't been trying so hard to be like my sister if I wouldn't have achieved all I have done. Sorry if this is a bit over philosophical/non practical - I only have one child at the moment but hope for more and just wondered whether we should all be trying to get rid of jealousy/rivalry altogether.

nancy · 14/05/2002 21:14

Do you have an opinion about age gaps between children and jealousy/ sibling rivalry. We have two year old and I'm inclined to wait a bit before trying for another but then my sister and I have had our problems and there's a six year gap. Is there any good age or is it all down to parenting skills?

ExpatKat · 14/05/2002 21:16

I am expecting a second child in October and have been advised again and again by other parents to buy a special toy for my oldest and say it's from "the new baby." I don't really understand why toys/objects/presents need to become involved. Is it true that this strategy can be helpful? Will it make things much harder if I avoid it?

justiner · 14/05/2002 21:18

Don't worry Scummymummy, you've got your book!

justiner · 14/05/2002 21:20

Don't worry Scummymummy, you've got your book!

ScummyMummy · 14/05/2002 21:20

Hoooray! Thanks, Justiner and Jan.

justiner · 14/05/2002 21:21

Oops, double post - how embarassing! Anyone would think I'd never used this site before.

ScummyMummy · 14/05/2002 21:22

Easily done, easily done.

ScummyMummy · 14/05/2002 21:22

Easily done, easily done.

ScummyMummy · 14/05/2002 21:22

See?

tigermoth · 14/05/2002 21:25

Do it all the time and I spell atrociously, too!

Giggi · 14/05/2002 21:26

I have an older sister who was always brighter, easier, ate better, slept better, loved school etc etc and despite my parents best efforts I was always aware of being the sporty but unacademic, highly strung tricky sibling, who never quite achieved. Yet 20 odd years on we are good friends and actually ended up doing the same job via different means. My question is, given that it often goes that there's one "brighter" child in a family, is it possible or even desirable to eliminate sibling rivalry - I often wonder if I hadn't been trying so hard to be like my sister if I wouldn't have achieved all I have done. Sorry if this is a bit over philosophical/non practical - I only have one child at the moment but hope for more and just wondered whether we should all be trying to get rid of jealousy/rivalry altogether.

ScummyMummy · 14/05/2002 21:27

Uh oh, it's an epidemic..

tech · 14/05/2002 21:35

Satty writes:

I'm a mother of two boys aged 11 and 5 and half, the younger one is ADAH child, I always have to make a special effect with the younger one and always have to do/ listen to him (to keep the peace) but with the older one I can ask him to do things (he won't like it but does) I have tried to explain to my older son that his brother is an ADAH child and sometime we just have to listen to him and do thing for him other wise he will scream the home down.

Are you able to give any more advise on how I can make the younger one do thing around the house without having him screaming running around the home. I have tried giving awards (but that is only a short terms thing for him.

EK2 · 14/05/2002 21:36

Thanks for that - I'll try the special space - I guess it also works both ways the eldest has swiped quite a few of the baby's gifts as they came in ... much more suitable for a big girl and all that...so she's not too hard done by. Have a funny feeling it's only going to get harder though. Had better get the book!

tech · 14/05/2002 21:37

Sarah writes:

My son will be almost 2 when his little brother or sister arrives in October.

He's our only child, and also the only grandchild, so is used to being the centre of everyone's attention. He goes to nursery 4 days per week so is used to being around other children, and we've already started telling him about the "new little person" to get him used to the idea, but how can we help him not to be jealous of our new arrival?

JanParker · 14/05/2002 21:38

Hi KLT ? and Bev, too.

There is no such thing as a perfect age gap. KLT, you?re worried about a large age gap. Yes, children more than six years apart tend to play less together because their interests are so different. But children with a wide age gap also tend to fight less, so there are advantages too!

You can help prepare your daughter and help her feel wanted and valued, and the book goes into these issues in detail. It also explores ways to understand and respond to siblings? very different stages and competing needs as they grow ? and to help older children understand these too.

Bev, you?re worried whether your son will find it hard to cope when a new baby comes along. Of course he will! But we can tie ourselves up in so much guilt and worry that we fail to notice that the world is full of siblings who, troublesome though they find the relationship sometimes, also get a great deal of pleasure from having a brother or sister. We can help our children through the confusions and hurts of a new baby coming along. We can?t eradicate all feelings of jealousy or anxiety, but we can help them cope better, at whatever age they are when the new baby arrives.

Maybe you need to think a little more about yourself before deciding when to have another child. If your eldest is just two, he?ll be going through all the boundary-pushing and attention-seeking of toddlerdom pretty soon, if he hasn?t started this already. That can be exhausting in itself.

If you feel you can cope with another baby as well as a toddler, if you really want another baby and so does your partner, why not listen to your instincts? Just try to ensure you put yourself, your partner, any work and whatever else is going on in your life into the equation ? not simply your child?s needs.

There is no ?best?; there is no ?perfect? gap (see my reply to Mickie, on birth order, for my thoughts on what really matters in family relationships).

JanParker · 14/05/2002 21:39

Hi Lettice,

You?ve managed to pack so many really important issues into such a short question, that I can only skim over them here. Take a look at the book if you can get hold of a copy (your local library should be able to order a copy if buying one?s tricky) ? it has much to say on jealousy, behaviour and listening to and communicating with children.

Briefly, what can really help is spending time one-to-one time with each child. Yes, I know this is as rare as gold dust but it does help kids cope better when a brother or sister needs our focused attention. They know they?ve had some time and attention, too, so tend to be more relaxed about sharing it.

Could a friend or a partner help look after your other children for an hour or so after school or at weekends, so you can spend a little time with each child on their own, before and after your next baby is born? A little undivided attention can work wonders. A lot can achieve near miracles. Little babies can and should be put down when they don?t need our attention, so older children in the family get their share.

Helping each child in the family feel they shine in their parent?s eyes also helps them roll a little better with life?s knocks. Often, what we see expressed as jealousy towards another child in the family is also rooted in a child?s shaky sense of their own worth. So try to let your daughter know when and why you appreciate what she does and how she is ? if you feel warm when she smiles, let her know. If you really appreciate the way she behaves sometimes, let her know.

Self-esteem is key to children?s behaviour. So, too, is holding a firm line on what you believe to be acceptable and not acceptable behaviour. Sounds as if your daughter is beginning to call the shots in your relationship. You can be understanding and supportive AND as clear and firm as you need to be to guide her behaviour, as she needs: ?I understand that this is hard for you, and you understand that you are NOT to scream/hit/whatever the behaviour is that you need to stop?.

Huge topics we can only touch on here, but very important ones. Thank you for raising them.

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