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Scottish Referendum debate: Alistair Darling and Alex Salmond, Wednesday September 10th, 1.45-2.45pm

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JustineMumsnet · 09/09/2014 08:35

Hi all,

We're delighted to announce that Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling will both be joining us on Mumsnet this Wednesday at 1.45pm, to take part in a live debate in the lead-up to the Scottish Referendum on September 18th.

The decision with which Scottish voters are faced this month constitutes a significant moment in the history - and future - of Scotland and the UK. And with polls currently predicting a result that's too close to call, this final showdown between the two leaders could potentially prove decisive.

The debate will be conducted along typical Mumsnet webchat lines, but with each guest free to question and respond to the answers of the other. We know the referendum has been a topic of serious discussion on the site (we're currently on IndyRef thread number seven - and counting ...) so in order to ensure that the leaders answer your questions, we're restricting the ability to post to Mumsnetters who'd been members of the site for more than 24 hours before the launch of this thread. Otherwise, the usual guidelines apply.

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Scottish Referendum debate: Alistair Darling and Alex Salmond, Wednesday September 10th, 1.45-2.45pm
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Tori23 · 10/09/2014 14:46

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PamSco · 10/09/2014 14:47

of one trillion pounds sterling over the next thirty-five years or so - that is one thousand, thousand million

AS Stop patronising us! We know oor numbers!

AlistairDarling · 10/09/2014 14:47

@wwbuffydo

Can I ask both Alex and Alistair why it's more important to rescue a family in Glasgow from needing a foodbank than doing the same for a family in Manchester?

I don't want to stop poverty in my back yard, I want to stop it altogether, and that is why I think that nationalism is fundamentally a selfish and divisive movement.

A very good question. Thank you. All of us should be equally concerned about child poverty no matter where that child lives in the UK. Surely our humanity and sense of justice means that we should strive to eradicate child poverty throughout the whole of the UK? Our concerns shouldn't stop at the border.

Solidarity and working with our neighbours is fundamental to my political beliefs.

RowanMumsnet · 10/09/2014 14:47

@weatherall

Rowan- I posted 1 question. Lots of other posters made multiple posts and questions. I commented on posts made and made 2 'rhetorical question' type comments which were obviously not expecting a response.

Why do you choose to single out a Yes poster for webchat etiquette when others are not following the guidelines to the letter?

It's not your affiliation weatherall - MNHQ takes no position on the referendum question - it's that your posts struck us as skirting webchat guidelines on two counts (repetitive and a bit uncivil).

WhoKnowsNewName · 10/09/2014 14:48

of one trillion pounds sterling over the next thirty-five years or so - that is one thousand, thousand million

If Scotland is really going to be that rich, wouldn't it be nice of us to share it about a bit.

weatherall · 10/09/2014 14:48

Mr Darling, that was actually a rhetorical question, and a comment on you comparing Scottish people to stoneage cavemen.

I'd rather you answered my actual question on the House of Lords removing powers from the Scottish Parliament to enable fracking in Scotland.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/09/2014 14:49

Oops, sorry, got het up there and posted before I meant to. Frightening people on health, cancer patients, the elderly and vulnerable, is despicable.

What like Gordon Brown saying we would no longer share organ donations?
www.stv.tv/scotland/283318-gordon-brown-raises-organ-transplant-fears-ahead-of-scottish-referendum/

26milesofcbeebies · 10/09/2014 14:50

Really, Mr Salmond? You're going to campaign on social justice and not even acknowledge the effect independence would have on the rest of the UK? or that we all have a social responsibility to address these problems?

AlistairDarling · 10/09/2014 14:50

This has been great. Thank you so much for all of the questions and the replies. I'm back off on the campaign trail now with my Tunnock's teacake in my pocket. Best wishes to you all, Alistair.

chocoluvva · 10/09/2014 14:50

Mr Salmond, probably out of time, but would you care to answer the question about a fairer and more equal society for UK rather than just Scotland or comment on Mr Darlings's answer?

niceguy2 · 10/09/2014 14:50

Sorry let me just be clear. I wasn't suggesting that iScotland wouldn't be able to be members of the EU and NATO. In the event that Scotland does declare their independence I would want them to be members and as soon as possible.

I was referring to the fact that it wasn't that long ago where you told everyone that membership of both would be automatic and now of course it seems you accept that it will not.

Personally I have my doubts it could be done in 18 months given you need to get the agreement of all 28 countries which I would wager would take longer than that to agree what colour the sky is but I digress.

WildThong · 10/09/2014 14:51

Thanks to both

OTheHugeManatee · 10/09/2014 14:51

Really disappointed that Mr Salmond wouldn't tell me why he's working so hard to wrest Scottish sovereignty from the UK just so he can hand it all back to the EU again Hmm

Roseformeplease · 10/09/2014 14:51

Thank you, Mr Darling.

Polonium · 10/09/2014 14:52

AS You say you want to claim back power from Westminster. But you also say you want to remain in the EU, which cedes power to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. And Scotland and rUK would both have very much less of a say in the way things get done in the EU, they really are better together! Most of your arguments are wholly inconsistent.

lmgtfy.com/?q=qualified+majority+voting+EU

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 10/09/2014 14:52

Is that not right ItsAllGoingToBeFine?

I thought the transplant service was NHS, and that iScotland would have a separate NHS so organs fro England would not be shared with Scotland and vice versa. Or do we usually share with foreign countries?

AlexSalmond · 10/09/2014 14:52

@AlistairDarling

[quote AlexSalmond] [quote Mythreeknights] For AS: I just don't understand how you can feel confident leading this country if there is no guarantee that we can keep the pound, if you plan to default on national debt, and the majority of financial institutions insist there will be massive economic troubles ahead. How can you be confident against such critical certainty from a number of economic experts? How can you reassure me that Scotland will not enter a long period of austerity and recession?

I think one of the crucial points of this campaign was the exchange on this matter during the BBC televised debate of two weeks ago when I explained not just the policy options available to Scotland but why our arguments of a common sense agreement on a common currency, sharing both assets and liabilities is best both Scotland and the rest of the UK.

There are plenty of economic experts, including the economic Nobel laureates James Mirrlees and Joseph Stiglitz, who have backed that position but more importantly all the evidence is that a majority of the people of Scotland support that common sense view. Alistair Darling's admission during the debate that "of course we could keep the pound" merely stated the obvious that you cannot be stopped by anyone from using an internationally tradeable currency but the agreement on a common currency would be best for everyone.[/quote]

Oh dear. Of course Scotland can use the pound. Like Panama uses the dollar. We could also use the yen, the rouble or the dollar. The crucial point is that it would be somebody else's currency, leaving us with no control over interest rates. On top of that countries like Panama or Hong Kong have to hold huge reserves in case they run out of money. It's no accident that these countries have minimal public services. Nothing like what we already have here. Crucially, Scotland would have no central bank. That would cost us tens of thousands of job in the financial services industry. If this really is Alex's Plan B, it is mad.[/quote]

Alistair, I think by now you would have realised that with almost 3,000 Scottish businesses supporting Business for Scotland, with some of Scotland's greatest wealth-creators on board, you would have realised that scaremongering tactics are not working for you. It would be nice if you could bring yourself to accept, like even David Cameron has, that Scotland could be a prosperous and successful independent country.

We're engaged in a political debate but one thing is clear that more and more Scots are not prepared to accept tactics such as telling us that we're not entitled to use our own currency and also the idea that the Westminster parties would appropriate the financial assets of the Bank of England without realising that inevitably means getting stuck with all the enormous liabilities that you and George Osborne accumulated over these last six years is hardly balanced or appropriate.

Finally, Alistair, it seems passing strange that you didn't manage to think of these things during the debate we had on BBC two weeks ago! Unfortunately for the no campaign, lots of people saw the debate, evaluated the arguments and are acting appropriately.

Romeyroo · 10/09/2014 14:52

Well, my quick tally suggests that Alex Salmond answered 17 questions, including one twice; and Alistair Darling answered 16 - so in terms of questions answered, it was about equal.
Have not read all of the content yet, though.

DrMalcolmTuckerWhosMistress · 10/09/2014 14:52

Thank you both.

femin · 10/09/2014 14:53

One of my concerns, is that if it is a no vote, the Tories will punish Scotland for this independence vote.

Mythreeknights · 10/09/2014 14:53

Well, it seems to me on balance that Mumsnetters are NOT in favour of independence as a result of the ongoing lack of clarity, and a deeply held suspicion that Salmond is attempting to blinker the truth.

chocoluvva · 10/09/2014 14:53

Really disappointed that AS didn't have time to respond to the questions about tackling poverty throughout UK.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/09/2014 14:53

Really, Mr Salmond? You're going to campaign on social justice and not even acknowledge the effect independence would have on the rest of the UK? or that we all have a social responsibility to address these problems?

Scotland's population is too small to impact on WM policies. We can leave and try and make things better with our own government, or we can stay in solidarity, and watch WM making policies to suit SE England.

FannyFifer · 10/09/2014 14:54

PamSco the Labour Party knighted Goodwin.

TeamScotland · 10/09/2014 14:54

It's been interesting. I'm still a YES.

Thank you First Minister and Alistair Darling, both.

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