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Confusedfornow · 26/02/2019 19:31

I have worked in my current area of expertise for the last 20 years or so. It's in Aviation, can't say exactly what or for who as it's a relatively small community (for my role) and it would be VERY outing. Before this, my only other "job" that I did for a few years was dancing (yes, that kind Blush). So I don't have massive experience of the world of work.

But I was chatting with some people in a bar over the weekend and conversation turned to jobs and then to my role. I was telling them about some stuff which is perfectly normal to me, but was absolutely news to them.

For instance . .

When a plane is "parked" and everything is switched off, the aircraft is referred to as being "Cold and dark".

If a helicopter has engine failure, it won't just fall out of the sky. The pilots are trained in a procedure called "autorotation" and can usually land safely even if the engine isn't running at all.

All British Airways flights use the call sign "Speed Bird". It's unique and no other airline in the world uses it.

Last one . .

Pilots can't wear polarised sunglasses. They make the electronic displays on the flight deck appear black, and you can't read any information from them.

So, what do you know from your jobs that is mundane for you but which most people wouldn't have a clue/be surprised by?

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FelicityBeedle · 02/03/2019 19:07

@snugglesnuggleblanket
I hope you still show some empathy to the ‘fake depressed’ People you encounter, ever considered depression means that you can’t do some exercise or make proper food? I’m sure there are plenty of fakes, but that doesn’t mean the ones you’re suspicious of are all trying their luck and not genuinely ill

OpiesOldLady · 02/03/2019 19:13

How do we nominate a thread for classics?

LadyOfTheCanyon · 02/03/2019 19:32

I'm a florist

Fairly high end, we stock lovely stuff. We're in a busy location so often have to provide arrangements for surrounding businesses at very short notice, which is part of the reason we're always fully stocked.

It absolutely staggers me to this day how aggressive people are about the 'perceived' price of flowers in an independent shop. They are so used to supermarket prices that everything else seems dear by comparison.

For example, My cheapest rose is around £2. I pay about 50-60p for that. Industry mark up for flowers is usually X3 plus VAT. So 50p cost =£1.80 retail and we round up or down.

That flower that costs 50p has been grown ( usually in Holland) with all the care, watering, feed, light, heating that incurs. There will be wastage of the blooms that aren't saleable. Then the flower is cut, packaged, auctioned, repackaged and transported to the UK, where it is unpacked, conditioned ( leaves stripped, cut, placed in water with flower food) by me before going out for sale. And people piss and whinge about paying £2 for it!

Dutch flowers ARE more expensive, largely because you are supporting European minimum wages for the people in the industry. Supermarkets have their own farms in Africa so they have cut out the middle man. Much like the pressures on dairy farmers, the flower yield is expected to be X and fuck what it costs you in water, human labour or cost cutting on things like pesticides. Supermarkets will withdraw their patronage at a moments notice. Farms in Kenya have had to re route water needed for things like, you know; crops and drinking water in order to maintain contracts with big supermarkets. It's absolutely terrible, and I'm sure the same with food crops so we can have asparagus in February or whatever.

Until recently, one big chain used pesticides in Africa that were banned in Europe that could send the handler blind. The workers were on literally pennies a day and cut of with nothing if they got sick from pesticide use. So they were then blind and penniless. Absolutely shocking.

It makes me fucking RAGE when the Instagram generation are all like boo boo I can't have peonies in January... well you can but we'll have to fly them in from New Zealand and they'll be £15 a stem. I'm not prepared to do that even if you can afford it because I try and keep things as sustainable as possible.

We buy a lot of British flowers, but the UK flower industry is about ten years behind Holland in terms of diversity and production volume. After Brexit when prices go through the roof, a lot more people will be buying from supermarkets, with the associated human cost. The UK and Channel Islands won't be able to cope with demand. A lot of small florists will have to close. Ours is looking ropey, even though we're popular and successful. Some people I know are looking into becoming growers, but there's a ten year gap between starting and being able to produce commercially viable blooms.

Flowers are a luxury, not a necessity. I really couldn't give a shit when you moan at me about prices. I've been in the industry for 30 years, I earn about £26K a year. And that's in London. I absolutely love my job. But please stop making me feel like I'm prising money from your hands that's needed for your children's medication. Hmm

Smotheroffive · 02/03/2019 19:44

I think supermarkets are an evil scourge of our society. They crop up again and again with their lack of people consideration.

They treat all farmers, UK and ww, like crap. This is what happens when organisations get too big, they wield too much control and power over the quality of animal and human life.

I abhore them. More and more I go elsewhere for produce. There are those with very ethical policies also, but they are more expensive in certain respects.

I love finding a local flower seller, as I love creating my own random crap displays Grin

I hear all through of this poor treatment of people,those under ridiculous performance pressures, and H&S, and aren't sains.now merging with asda? Just ridiculous size organisation, but it'll be good if it can knock tesco into space!

hellenbackagen · 02/03/2019 19:50

snuggly that's a bit sad to read. In my job mental health maintenance can be extremely precarious. We deal with the worst of everything and it can and does take its toll.

I wonder if police hr take the same view...

hellenbackagen · 02/03/2019 20:10

I've also known at least 3 police officers who haven't told anyone of their depression and took their own lives. That's 3 in 9 years.

I was signed off once with the same - yes that old chestnut depression and anxiety.
I'd got the the point I didn't dare leave my dd (who was 16 then) for fear of something happening to her while I was out. And it took a friend to take me to one side and tell me I was ill.

I was in sertraline for 3 years and I started the original "village" threads on mn for people with mental health issues (under my old old user name) . (sadly no longer running)

I really hope that not all HR departments have the same thoughts.

When I was shot at last summer I wasn't asked by anyone if I was ok and now was my colleague. I've witnessed a baby twin choke to death, Ive seen fatal road traffic incidents, been attacked , and abuse is the norm.

Funnily when I went off ill it was because I was not being supported at work and had a horrible bullying shift.

After working my arse off to get my dream job I hated it because the people I worked with originally were vile to me because I was softer and more compassionate than them. A shift full of dinosaurs.

Prequelle · 02/03/2019 20:26

If you’re told that the lab lost your sample or your result, chances are it was actually ward staff/your GP/you under your GP’s direction not labelling it correctly or requesting the wrong thing. We do make mistakes, but we also know that we get blamed for others mistakes. We have a very good incident reporting culture and will own up to anything we do wrong

Oh I wish they were all like you! My ward is right next to our lab so I personally hand deliver ALL my patient samples. I've had lab staff point blank accuse me of not sending them, so much so it got to the point where I requested they review the CCTV because it happens at least once a month and I'm sick of my patients suffering because of it.

Prequelle · 02/03/2019 20:30

Those who claim depression and anxiety but can’t clearly explain the symptoms they’re suffering or have done nothing to review their current lifestyle that might make a huge difference to how they’re feeling (eg sleep, food, alcohol & exercise), I have little time for. If you’re going to eat takeaways and do zero exercise, you’re going to feel

Jesus what an absolutely ridiculous mindset. And I'm sorry but the only thing I was getting out of bed for when I was severely depressed was a suicide attempt so people who don't actually know how bad it can get can shove their exercise and healthy eating up their arses.

Smotheroffive · 02/03/2019 20:38

Oh gawd Hellen what a travail. So glad you climbed over that and came out the other side. I think the daily abuse is getting worse over the years. Called a 'retard' earlier today completely ott and unnecessary and aggressive. What a vile thing to say, awful expression to use. Horrible though that's just nothing by comparison, its shocking that police carry hoods for 'spitters'.

High suicide incidence in so many areas. It's been mentioned a few times on here.

I know a GP killed himself. Like you say a lot can be managed with the right timely support . where's hr then? Not very present from the sound of it, and it might be easy for some to act stressed or depressed, but as the supporting role you just can't make judgements like that, you have no idea how right or wrong you are about someones mental health.

Time to raille at the govt for some of their pot excess from Jan/Feb for desperately needed support and getting more feet on the beat again!

hellenbackagen · 02/03/2019 20:53

💐smother

Definitely need more feet on the beat. Thank you for the support.

Your job sounds pretty challenging too....being called names is horrible isn't it?

It took me a little while to realise that arguing back is pointless! I'm there for the people who need me and that's what matters. I pick up an award next week for my services so I'm feeling quite proud of myself really that I still do my best for people when they need the police 💐

Beetlewing · 02/03/2019 20:56

"Jewellers cement" is araldite

Smotheroffive · 02/03/2019 21:01

Omg, that's amazing and so awesome to hear that you have achieved some recognition!!! Well done you, god, it doesn't exactly keep you any safer or support you, but what a difference something like that can make! Congratulations!! Wine cheers

...and the awful comment, that I truly thought had thankfully passed out of use, was more of a shock, and not work-related thankfully, but its nothing by comparison with what some of your inspirational sorts on here are dealing with daily.

Smotheroffive · 02/03/2019 21:04

Jewellers hoover dust bags used for precious metals reclaim!!

Jaspermcsween · 02/03/2019 21:06

helenbackagen it was approx 4 years ago.
My then partner called 999 on me claiming I had assaulted them ( I hadn’t ) to deliberately get me taken away by police after we had an argument following months of a toxic relationship.

Me and then partner had recently discussed the Scottish law that said domestic violence claims had to be responded to and the accused removed in all cases.

It was a quite deliberate attempt by him to punish me .

Police arrived about an hour after the call. I was calmly making dinner for the following evening ( it was about 2 am ) because I knew the law and knew they would have to take me away.

Jaspermcsween · 02/03/2019 21:09

Travelled about ten miles I think. I was held in a cell for about 4 hours, though hard to tell as they took my watch.
There was no struggle , no resisting of being taken away or anything.

I was very calm but it was still one of the worst nights of my life as I was worried police would believe him not me.

hellenbackagen · 02/03/2019 21:21

Bless you jasper - Scottish law is actually different to English law so I'd be probably misinformed if I even tried to explain! Sounds horrible. One thing I do always bear in mind is being accused, or suspected of an offence does not mean guilty of committing it! Police are just duty bound to investigate an allegation. Sounds like it rightly came to nothing?
I hope you're ok.

SnuggleSnuggleBlanket · 02/03/2019 22:20

@FelicityBeedle @hellenbackagen @Prequelle

I’m really sorry if I’ve upset or offended you in anyway. The question was asked of the most common people issues I face in HR, and I answered honestly that in my personal experience, mental health illness have become a “thing” and in summary, my role had a common theme, which I s to distinguish between the real cases and the not so real ones. Twenty years ago, to get time off work, you had a bad back, today, mental health illnesses are more commonly found on sicknotes. Are all of them accurate and 100% depression? Unlikely. Can I distinguish between the ones that are real and are not? Normally.

Mental health management is difficult to manage because:

A) I’m not trained, and so actually I can’t and shouldn’t make a judgement on whether someone has depression or not but I have an opinion and I have to rely on my gut on occasions. I also rely heavily on the persons disclosures to me and on OH (which is a whole other thread) as well as good management (also an issue) to support them. Yet there is more and more pressure on companies to support individuals, with no funding or provisions in place to do so (more so in the public sector, and I’m sorry the police force has not supported you) I’m in the private sector and bang my drums a lot to get mental health support in place including training my first cohort of mental first aiders this year. Do not judge me on my comments above that I’m dismissing all people with depression, I’m not. I answered a question and gave no personal details, but I actually help people with mental health more than you know and way above my role, as a small example, including visiting a colleague who made an ‘off’ comment as she left one night which concerned me, and I popped by her house on the way home to find her literally contemplating suicide at that moment Sad

And B) i worry that we are going too far the other way with the next generation, with so much awareness of mental health, that everyone has something wrong. It’s good we’re aware but we are raising a generation where we’re leading on this line. To put this in context, I asked a group of new qualified teachers recently to put their hands up if they’d heard people say to them that they’re “mad to go into teaching” and all of the 80 people in the room did. We’re setting people up to be afraid of doing something that might be hard / difficult, instead of teaching them the tools to brave the difficulties. I feel real mental health problems, like the one hellenback described, are being clumped together with people who either have a situation in their life they’re finding difficult (personal or work related) and need support to get through that particular difficulty; they are under performance management at work which causes stress and requires an intervention and choices to be made; or they’re are having a low period in the life brought on by poor diet/sleep/exercise/hormones (as examples) and label themselves ‘depressed’ to be prescribed medication, which is only a plaster.

In answer to your question, yes, I do show empathy and yes, I offer more than just telling someone to change their diet. And honestly, I’m fighting your corner as employees to get things changed. I’m one person.

hmwhatsmynameagain · 02/03/2019 22:27

I agree with a PP, random drug and alcohol testing is not generally random.

Also the yellow lines on the road are different shades of yellow depending on the authority responsible for managing those lines

TheMagicTorch · 02/03/2019 22:41

@amadalily I work in general practice accountancy and we have a similar % where we won't bother looking for a discrepancy because it's not worth it!

hellenbackagen · 02/03/2019 22:50

snuggles I'm not offended. 💐 I'm sure you're right. Some will swing the lead.

But I got to the point at one stage where I'd considered suicide and had found the "lost all hope" website.

Some jobs are harder than others. Some things are harder to forget than others. Some people are more resilient than others.

I think I'm ok now. I'm off meds. I still sometimes get gripped with panic re my kids but it's short lived. It's hard to not worry when you see stuff like I do daily I suppose. I try to remember that. I've also lived through loss (sis died in car accident). I have no parents or support network and I am everyone else's support so I can't be needy.

hellenbackagen · 02/03/2019 22:52

SnuggleI mean! Can't get the bloody name right!

TheMagicTorch · 02/03/2019 23:07

@aurynne
Love this! I'm 34 weeks pregnant,. lovely to hear the other side! I'm shocked people thinks it's acceptable to text you at midnight.. I wouldn't dream of contacting a healthcare professional outside of clinic hours (A&E etc excepted!)

SnuggleSnuggleBlanket · 02/03/2019 23:07

I was only reading something on the police force the other day and, as a public service, it doesn't seem to get as much mention in the media compared to the NHS and education in terms of cuts. I couldn't do your job @hellenbackagen. I really glad you're in a better place, and sorry again for my post being off point/not correctly explained. Flowers

Confusedfornow · 02/03/2019 23:09

Thanks everyone Wine

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TheMagicTorch · 02/03/2019 23:11

@ChanklyBore I've had the same midwife since my 8 week booking in, have her name and mobile number but wouldn't dream of messaging at crazy hours or pictures of baby poo.