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Help!! Carpet fitter has just stormed out. AIBU?

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whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 11:51

Sorry for rambling state of this post, I am a bit upset about the way I have just been spoken to. Also, sorry for the length of the post, I just want to include all the detail.

I ordered some carpet last week to be fitted today. It is a local small carpet shop, not part of a chain. They offer a 'free fitting service', but you pay 75% of the price in the shop, and the remainder once fitted. I presume this is because they sub-contract out the fitting. In my case this was £150 in the shop, and £50 once fitted. I have bought carpet and fitting from this shop before, and the fitting service wasn't great, but they said they were using a different company that day, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and ordered from them again. In the shop, I mentioned the problems I had had last time (punctuality, not taking old carpet away) and asked for reassurance that the service would be better this time. I was assured it would be.

Carpet was due to be delivered at 9am. At half past 9, no-one had turned up, so I rang the shop asking where they were. I was told they had has a couple of problems this morning and only had one fitter on instead of two, and they might be able to fit me in a 2pm today. I can't do that time as DS has a party 2-4pm, and I work Wed-Fri, so this morning really was the only time this week that was suitable. I explained to the man on the phone that I has problems last time, and was told it would be better this time. So he said he would move some things around, and fit me in about 10am this morning.

At 10, two men arrived to fit the carpet. In the bedroom, the furniture we had left in there was a double bed, a wardrobe, and chester of drawers and two little side units. We had been told in the shop not to worry about moving any furniture out of the room, that they would move it around the room to fit it. DH had taken the mirrored doors off the wardrobe to make it lighter to move, and we had moved all of the other usual bedroom stuff out of the room. The chest of drawers were half empty, just had underwear in them. The bed still had the bedding on it because I didn't think it would make any difference. The little side units did have things in them, but they really are very small, so I thought they be okay. I am 27+ weeks pregnant with PGP, so it is a bit difficult to move things around.

He went to the bedroom and looked around and sighed. The said, you're going to need to get those clothes out of that wardrobe. There wasn't very much in there because we are getting new wardrobes, so it was just a few things to keep us going until the new stuff arrived. I said I would move it, but it shouldn't make much different to the weight. He said if he tried to move the wardrobe, it would collapse, which I said wasn't true as we have just decorated, and have been moving the wardrobe around so we could get to the walls. But I still carried on moving the clothes. He then started opening the drawers in the chest of drawers, which have my underwear etc in. I said the drawers are almost empty, so the underwear shoudn't make any difference to the weight. He then picked up the small unit and dragged it around the room in a way that the drawers all fell forward and the unit nearly tipped up. I said to him that I would move it if he was going to move it like that, and moved the other unit out of the room. He then said 'look love, I'm doing you a favour here, I could leave you to move it by yourself if you want'. By the point, the other lad had turned the double bed up on to its side and was leaning against the window. I said to the first lad that I understood that he has obviously had a busy morning and he didn't have much patience, but I had been waiting for the delivery too. He said 'no patience?! I shouldn't even be here. I'm not staying here and taking this. Do you want me to go'. I said to him if he wanted to go, he should go, but it's his job to fit the carpet. He shouted to the other lad, 'right, we're off', stormed down the stairs and got in the van. The other lad looked a bit sheepish, and I said 'so is he just going to go, leaving the bed on its side and all the furniture like that'. I am quite obviously pregnant, and DS was playing downstairs and shouting to me, so it was obvious that I would not be able to move the furniture back. He said he would have a word with him, but once he had got in the van, they drove off. So the bedroom is left with the very heavy oak double bed on its side, a unit in the middle of the floor, and they left the door open as they stormed out.

I rang the shop and explained that I thought the fitter was very rude, and what was going to happen now. He said that they had done me a favour by moving the other appointments round to fit me in at 10am, and they were wasting time on the phone at the moment, and other appointments needed to be done. He then said it is in my best interest to be flexible with the delivery time, because I wont get my £150 deposit back, because they have ordered the carpet. I then tried to reiterate how rude the fitter had been to me. Apparently the fitter had told the lad in the shop that I refused to move anything out of the room, and that is why he left. Now, if the shop had explained to us to make sure wardrobes were empty, drawers were empty etc, then we would have done it. We told them when we ordered it it was for a bedroom, so you would know the type of furniture would be in there. But we were told that we did not need to get any furniture out of the room, the fitters would work around it.

Was I being unreasonable to the fitter? Is it true I can't get my money back on the carpet? I don't want that fitter back in the house, he really was so horrible to me. I understand he has obviously had a busy day, and I said that to him, but at the end of the day, that isn't my fault and he shouldn't take it out on me. I also don't like the suggestion from the shop that they are doing me a favour by re-arranging the delivery for me, when I have paid for a carpet and fitting, and that is what I expected.

I am pretty upset at the moment, which is probably all pregnancy hormones. I got a bit upset on the phone to the shop, so he said he would ring me back 'when I had calmed down'. So I am waiting for them to call back now. Where do I stand?

Thank you if you read this far!!

OP posts:
gafhyb · 17/04/2012 19:19

YANBU

Whatever the problem was, you didn't cause it.

StealthPolarBear · 17/04/2012 19:28

But the only attitudes on the thread have been about someone not delivering a service that had been paid for. Nothing to do with tradesmen! Replies would have been the same if it had been about a lawyer who advertised home visits then spat her dummy when someone tried to actually hold her to it!

SwedishEdith · 17/04/2012 19:33

Go to the shop and take a photo of the advert just in case they remove it. YANBU

whenskiesaregrey · 17/04/2012 22:03

Right, back now. DH took us out for dinner to cheer me up!

Have spoken to him and said I think the best thing is to get them to do the job and then never have anything to do with them again. DH is going to speak to them tomorrow, apparently the manager is in at 8am. I have to be in work at 8.20 then won't be able to pick any messages up until about 12.30, so I guess I'll find out what's happening then.

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Maryz · 17/04/2012 22:10

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mathanxiety · 17/04/2012 22:16

Yes and god forbid they do a crappy job and you have to try to get them in again to fix it.

Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 18/04/2012 07:58

Well done op. You're doing the right thing to get the job done and then never use shop again. I also think it will be better if your DH is there. The fitter was rude but sounds he's cross with shop offering a service he can't deliver.

Hope you're carpet's great when you get back :)

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 18/04/2012 09:20

Personally I wouldn't give them the job, or the time of day, after their behaviour.

But anyway I hope that after they do the job you write to the shop manager, anyone in the shop higher than the manager (if there is someone), Which?, the papers, and any trade bodies the shop may be affiliated to (as someone suggested upthread) to tell them all exactly, dispassionately but in detail, about the 'service' you received and why you won't be using them again. Hopefully it'll put them off treating future customers as badly as they've treated you.

TheRhubarb · 18/04/2012 09:55

It really doesn't matter if you emptied all the furniture or not. You were clearly willing to do so once you realised that is what they wanted you to do and you were getting on with the job of doing so.

The fact that you are pregnant with PGP is pertinent here as that is clearly why you ordered from this particular shop, because they advertised carpet fitting around furniture and you checked that this was the case.

Underwear in drawers, a few clothes in the wardrobe and the duvet on the bed would not have accounted of the level of rudeness you came across from these men.

They were clearly under the impression that the entire room would be bare. That is not your fault, the shop had failed to communicate to them that this job was a fitting around furniture.

They didn't do you any favours. They failed to show up at the booked time and failed to let you know that they couldn't make that time. They weren't doing you a favour in booking you in at 10am, they were doing what you had paid them to do.

And AmberLeaf, my defence of the OP in THIS particular situation DOES NOT indicate my overall opinion of tradesmen because as far as I am aware, I have not made ANY generalisations about tradesmen or carpet fitters. All my posts have related to this particular situation. So when your argument descends into trying to accuse people of holding stereotypical attitudes against workmen in general then you have clearly lost it.

These men took their anger out on the OP. Most posters would agree that is unprofessional. Yes she could have emptied all the furniture but that is a moot point, they were pissed at there being any furniture in there at all, despite this being on the order.

What other carpet companies do, what other fitters expect and what other posters experiences are really mean nothing. THIS company advertised that service, THIS company reassured her that's what they did.

OP, I sincerely hope you get this sorted. Don't let them fob you off and do have a word with Trading Standards to save anyone else this same hassle. I'd hate to think of them treating old people in this way who also ordered the same service.

AmberLeaf · 18/04/2012 10:03

And AmberLeaf, my defence of the OP in THIS particular situation DOES NOT indicate my overall opinion of tradesmen because as far as I am aware, I have not made ANY generalisations about tradesmen or carpet fitters. All my posts have related to this particular situation. So when your argument descends into trying to accuse people of holding stereotypical attitudes against workmen in general then you have clearly lost it

Get over yourself, this isnt about you. I think ive made it quite clear that what ive said isnt/wasnt addressed to you, you may not have noticed but there have been several posters on this thread other than you!

StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 10:15

So can you give me an example of a comment that has shown general attitude to workmen, rather than judgment of the situation then please?

AmberLeaf · 18/04/2012 10:19

Read the thread, I really cant be arsed to trawl over it, we obviously dont agree so you arent going to see it from my point of view are you. i'll leave it at that.

TheRhubarb · 18/04/2012 10:27

We have read the thread. It appears that it is you who haven't.

And if you don't want me to respond to you dear, then don't direct any further posts to me, then I won't feel obliged to respond will I? Smile

StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 10:29

Ok, so no

boringnickname · 18/04/2012 10:29

Mumsnet has gone barking mad - i think theres been something in the easter eggs!

TheRhubarb · 18/04/2012 10:30

Probably! Grin

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 18/04/2012 10:31

Have found some quotes about people's approach to offering tea:

'I pay my hard earned to expect a job well done and with good humour, if you're not up to that then civility at the very least. In return you will get my sparkling wit and an awesome cup of tea or two and home made cake.'

'I think most people would offer a cup of tea but not if the workman was acting like an obnoxious twat - there you draw the line I think'

'I don't see people as dogsbodies. There are a lot of people in my family would do labour-y type jobs. DH is a warehouse manager, he has done packing jobs, lugged things around. We are not above it!' (this from the OP).

'yes to offering of tea or coffee or soft drinks. Even if they are very late. But not if they are rude.'

Conversely, I cannot find any posts that give any indication that posters generally look down on tradespeople, think they're not worthy of politeness etc.

StealthPolarBear · 18/04/2012 10:35

The world is flat. Many of you may think I am wrong, but I am not going to back it up. Just take my word for it.

Maryz · 18/04/2012 10:38

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boringnickname · 18/04/2012 10:44

To be fair, my DP is a tradesmen (i hate this word, always reminds me of downton abbey type programs and tradesmens entrance, and then.....oh, never mind Grin) and to be fair, the majority of his clients have been brilliant and never made him feel anything other than equal. In fact, they usually make him feel good because he does a good job that they would be unable to do themselves. We have had a couple of idiots, one woman phoned him and told him not to use the toilet (the toilet that he installed!) as it was new and she didnt want it to get dirty - even though she wasn't staying in the house. (actually my DP never uses peoples toilets, but actually being told not to was a bit insulting). I also had a woman at a M&T group introduce me to another woman as the wife of "the little man that did my alterations" My DP is HUGE! Silly cow - although we are actually friends now.

Most people are fine, most will make tea and coffee, some will offer food - he did a job for a shri lankan family once who made him a veritabe feast of exotic food - he took a picture of it and sent it too me he was so amazed :-)

I do bristle though when people slag off tradesmen, it is portrayed in the media that builder types are not to be trusted thay they are all out to rip you off so only trust one from "trustatradermybuilderhammerwankshaft" rip off merchants who's only real criteria for having a builder on their books as a "trusted" tradesman is a hefty bill paid by the builder for hte privalige.

I am more angry with the shop in this instance than the fitters as they misled the OP, however, it sounds like the fitter was an obnoxious cunt. My DP would have gritted his teeth and got on and moved everything, especially as the client was pregnant. He woud have then vented his spleen at the shop and asked for more money for hte job Grin

AmberLeaf · 18/04/2012 10:44

And if you don't want me to respond to you dear, then don't direct any further posts to me, then I won't feel obliged to respond will I

You replied to me in the first instance but I know to just ignore you in future.

AmberLeaf · 18/04/2012 10:45

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everlong · 18/04/2012 10:47

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DowagersHump · 18/04/2012 10:47

I have huge respect for people who have skills of any kind, boringnickname. I swoon at plasterers' work :o

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 18/04/2012 10:47

Nice.

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