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MNHQ here: Femicide Census - want to know what you could do to help?

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RowanMumsnet · 21/02/2020 13:51

Hello

Lots of you have been discussing the Femicide Census this week - the data for 2018 has just been released and has been getting some coverage in the media.

We asked Nia, the charity that supports the Femicide Census, what MNHQ could do to help support their work - and they sent us this email. Of course we at MNHQ will be happy to do what we can, so expect to see more about this from us, but for now it felt as though the most useful thing we could do would be to pass this on directly to you - so here goes:

"In terms of supporting our work – it is often just really helpful to have people talking about the issue, referring to the femicide census, retweeting etc – it’s about keeping the issue at the forefront of people’s minds and in particular using language that situates the blame clearly with the perpetrators and recognises it as part of the wider pattern of sex based inequality and discrimination.

As we said in our press release endless excuses and rationales are afforded to perpetrators – he had mental health issues, he was depressed, he was upset at the relationship ending, he had lost his job, he had been declared bankrupt, he was being investigated by the police, he couldn’t cope any more, he found it too distressing to see his wife/mother/child suffer yet all too often if you question it you find he had a history of controlling or abusive behaviour .

All these conditions apply to the millions of women who do not control, abuse, belittle or kill people. Even where the man kills his child somehow it’s her fault. We always scrutinise women’s behaviour and their conformity to some stereotyped, fossilised code of behaviour expected of women and benefitting men and blame her if she is not conforming to that fantasy. So anything your users can do to challenge such misrepresentations or misplaced emphasis or unreasonable rationales would be very helpful.

We also sometimes support relevant strategic litigation and in partnership with other women’s organisations we may attend Court hearings or raise a demo outside the court or similar. We know this makes a difference to the woman whose case it is – it shows her solidarity and we think it may also help build gravitas and credibility for the media and the judiciary so we sometimes tweet demos and welcome women coming along to that. We also undertake other activism – so we are usually present at Million Women Rise March or Reclaim the Night March and again we encourage such visible activism as part of a wider women’s movement.

Of course the other thing is that we always need donations so if women want to do fundraising activities, runs, swims, silences, cakebakes or whatever and raise money for us – we are delighted. We are not big enough to have a dedicated fundraiser role or a team supporting people in the way we would like but we can always provide information, logos, leaflets, links to relevant information about us or about the issue and we’ll support as much as we can – we retweet fundraisers who are doing activities for us and encourage it as much as possible.

Also women’s various workplaces or communities sometimes are looking for a charity to support or their workplace may match funds raised or encourage staff to do fundraising activities so it may be that there are other ways to multiply fundraising reach. Similarly if women are involved in organising or attending conferences and events where there may be demand for a speaker – within limited capacity and with enough notice - we may be able to come out and talk about our work or the femicide census or violence against women. The place to contact us for these sorts of things is [email protected] and we of course on Twitter - @nia_endingvawg

Thank you for all your support"

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Clymene · 27/02/2020 06:28

usernameishistory - sorry my post wasn't very clear. I think that's all part of the pattern. We all need to get better at recognising forced teaming, when we're being coercively controlled etc. It's not just at the start of a relationship that abusers can turn on the charm - they do it to friends and family, courts and social workers. You read it all the time on here in relationships where women are going through divorces with abusive men and they've charmed their solicitor.

My point is that abuse doesn't come out of nowhere. There is a pattern of behaviour. Men don't just 'snap' and kill their wives and girlfriends but that is so often the narrative spun.

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/02/2020 16:53

I'd like to note that what we're told as a society about 'romance' and being swept off our feet, 'rescued' , etc feeds neatly into a narrative that suits abusive men very well.

Indeed. Put on another record of 'You Were Always On My Mind' and re read Beauty and the Beast.

Jux · 27/02/2020 17:14

Most fairy tales are incredibly sexist.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 27/02/2020 19:29

I know we talk about porn culture; I personally think Romance culture is as pernicious.

Clymene · 27/02/2020 20:31

Yes I agree. And further to whoever mentioned ebay, you can also choose NIA as your chosen charity on Amazon (you need to log in via Amazon Smile and annoyingly it doesn't work on the app) but they also donate a percentage. It's tiny but if we all did it ... :)

usernameishistory · 27/02/2020 23:40

No problem clymene

Talking of romancing, etc ..seduction anyone???

Make up sex???

I haven't found the website for NIA?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 09:17

Nia's website:

www.niaendingviolence.org.uk/

usernameishistory · 28/02/2020 12:32

Thank you Scrimshaw

Catting · 28/02/2020 13:48

@usernameishistory how about 'Steak and Blow Job night' 😱, that men expect sexual servitude in exchange for sending a lame card on Valentine's Day 🤮

usernameishistory · 28/02/2020 23:18

Hmm indeed

RowanMumsnet · 03/03/2020 12:42

Hello - the Karen Ingala Smith webchat is now open here

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 03/03/2020 12:54

Thanks, RowanMumsnet.

wellbehavedwomen · 05/03/2020 00:06

This is brilliant. Really helpful and thought provoking. Thank you.

usernameishistory · 05/03/2020 01:15

Thank you for the link @ScrimshawTheSecond

Really good webchat

Amazing, powerful words amd work coming from Karen and her team.

Totally pissed off about the lack of notice which has excluded many from being involved.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 06:44

You're welcome, usernameishistory.

RowanMumsnet · 11/03/2020 10:56

Hello - nia have been in touch to flag up that together with the End Violence Against Women Coalition and the Centre for Women's Justice, they have 'put together a case to ask for permission at the court to bring a case against the CPS arguing that they have secretly changed policy resulting in a huge drop in rape prosecutions - which were already pretty low but now virtually non-existent.'

The case is being heard next week (Tuesday 17 March) at the Royal Courts of Justice in London (on the Strand) and they'd love people to show up on the day and give their support.

Nia say:

'It would be usual thing - come down anytime from 9am and hang about visibly outside till they go in at 10 and if some can attend the hearing (it’s open to the public) as well that would be good - if you can attend and have capacity do try and get down there - just turn up – no need to tell anyone or have permission or anything – just rock up there will be women there probably with some banners/placards and please also circulate this and really encourage other women to come – service users, volunteers, your friends and families, women from other orgs.'

You can read more about the case here.

Thanks
MNHQ

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scotchling · 11/03/2020 11:03

Hi all, do please try to get down to the RCJ on 17th march at 9am to 10 am on strand or send along people you know who can do so - we need to show judges that this hearing deserves to go ahead and we can help do that by a big public presence and demo which tells judges we are aware and we care and it impacts on so many of us. Also there is an appeal for funds to cover costs since women have to buy their own justice for their own rape now! @centreWJ for more info.

Jux · 11/03/2020 18:38

I don't think I can afford teh train ticket but I'lll have a think. I'd love to be there; I want to stand up and be counted.

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