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New MN campaign around children with special needs

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RowanMumsnet · 31/01/2013 09:17

Hello

Following on from this, um, lively thread from a couple of weeks back, we wanted to follow up on kungfupannda's excellent suggestion of an MNHQ-backed awareness-raising campaign aimed at - in kungfupannda's words - 'making it absolutely, uncompromisingly clear that in order to fully include children with severe disabilities, people might have to accept a bit of disruption once in a while.'

We were thinking about something along the lines of our We Believe You campaign on rape myths; that is to say, an ongoing awareness-raising project aimed at the general public, rather than a short-term campaign with specific policy requests attached. We would be thinking about pages on Mumsnet itself featuring the experiences of our posters, activity on our Bloggers Network, ye olde Twitter hashtagge, and any press coverage we can grab.

The suggestion on the thread was for the campaign to be called 'Tolerance is...', but we at MNHQ are a little unsure about the word 'tolerance' (which can suggest barely-contained irritation, rather than the kind of empathetic understanding and generosity of spirit we'd all like to see). So we were wondering whether something along the lines of 'This is my child' would work better?

Please feel free to use this thread to give us any feedback and ideas, and generally let us know what you think.

Thanks
MNHQ

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sickofsocalledexperts · 31/01/2013 11:37

I like tolerance - in all sorts of context eg religious, disabilist. But "This is me" is good too and the whole campaign is a supremely fab idea. Happy to comtribute any artickes etc. Maybe ask ricky gervais to chip in, given Derek? Could we add in though an intolerance of abuse using words like retard or mong? With apologies to John Lennon "retard is the nigger of today". Mong is just unconscionable.

Also, as mum to a boy who has learning difficulties as well as autism, could we sort of communicate that terms like mentally retarded or educationally sub-normal (yuk) are now referred to as learning disabilities?

Good on you Mumsnet towers!

sickofsocalledexperts · 31/01/2013 11:45

There were some hideous figures published recently about the rise in disabilist hate crime.

It is an anomaly in our society that a gang of teens, however feral, would rarely now shout racial abuse , but would definitely still feel fine to shout "retard" or to kick the head in of the poor, learning disabled child or adult .

Perhaps we can help change the social mores, just as anti-racist campaigns did in the 70s/80s?

Lindsay321 · 31/01/2013 11:49

It seems that the parents and family of children with special needs are judged and excluded as much as the children. What about:

"This Is Me/This Is Me" (child/parent for example but has my variables)

I think it covers the child, the adult and the parent or any of their family members who are affected.

threesocksmorgan · 31/01/2013 11:50

I agree that inclusion should start a birth, more parents should search out the inclusive baby groups an play groups and so on.
I am anti inclusion in schools. children with sn often drown in MS I know mime would have.
but there are lots of other way to be inclusive,
but it has to be with adults too, disability is for life, not just child hood. and There is even less tolerance for adults with sn.

but I still think mn hq are being hypocritical with this.
they allow vile disablist posts and threads to stand, yet want to campaign !!
surely first off mn itself has to be sorted.

PeggyCarter · 31/01/2013 11:56

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ProtegeMoi · 31/01/2013 12:06

Also so not a fan of tolerance and think acceptance or inclusion would work much better. After all its about accepting our children as valuable members of society and including them in activities as opposed to simply tolerating them because you have to.

StarlightMcKenzie · 31/01/2013 12:07

'I am anti inclusion in schools.'

I'm not, but it absolutely doesn't work as it currently is. This is the physical/educational/social thing. Inclusion in schools is usually only physical. Child x is IN the classroom, therefore included. Doesn't matter that he hasn't a clue what is going on and ignored by his peers.

Shannaratiger · 31/01/2013 12:10

Excellent idea, I'm definately in me and dd have dyspraxia and ASD. 'This is me' is great because it covers not just people with SN both mental and physical but also anyone who doesn't fit the stereotype of 'normal'. The lack of respect for people who are overweight or have acne etc. is appaling, why do people think they have the right to shout abuse at anyone else!

threesocksmorgan · 31/01/2013 12:13

it doesn't does it starlight. I am always scared of anything that will make people think it does.

LabelsGalore · 31/01/2013 12:17

I am going for 'This is me' too.

Child x is IN the classroom, therefore included. Doesn't matter that he hasn't a clue what is going on and ignored by his peers.
@Star, you've just hit a very raw nerve here :(

eggandcress · 31/01/2013 12:20

I think this is an excellent idea

Fairness. Equality. Dignity. Respect.

(From "Your Human Rights - A Guide for Disabled People")

AllThatGlistens · 31/01/2013 12:45

Another one for 'This is me', I'm a mum with one DS (8) who has autism and Tourette's Syndrome and we're currently going through the assessment phase for our 2.4 yr old DS2 who is definitely heading for diagnosis soon.

I'm generally a calm, well mannered articulate person, but if I have to hear one more person tell me 'what a shame it is' or how he'll 'pick up and grow out of it' I think I'll scream.

It make me murderous, heartbroken and exasperated- the level of ignorance and intolerance out there is sickening Sad

StarlightMcKenzie · 31/01/2013 12:49

Ah sorry Labels, but I think this is a real issue in our society.

Some people tend to think that all you have to do is give a wheelchair user a ramp and then you can go back to ignoring them.

But it is much much worse for those with a hidden disability, because THEIR ramps usually require someone to actively engage with them.

AllThatGlistens · 31/01/2013 12:55

Couldn't agree more, my elder DS is just described as weird or gets stared and laughed at if he's stimming or displaying his usual traits.

My neurotypical DD is noticing it now and keeps asking why people don't understand that my DS is different, 'just as we all are Mummy, his brain just works a little differently, why are they looking?'

She's 6 years old.

WadingThroughTreacle · 31/01/2013 13:05

But if we take our children out of mainstream school, surely the generation growing up are going to be the same ones tut tutting at the theatre in 20 years' time. This is where I struggle with my own situation. The part of me that is already defeated by the last two years just wants to take my child the hell out and slink off to the local special school away from the stares, the judgements, the avoided eye contact and the (not necessarily deliberate) ignorant comments and be happy again, as I'm sure we would be. But there is another part of my brain shrieking, this is wrong!! All we are really doing is teaching our kids that they are not to be inconvenienced, starting with school. Oh I dunno, maybe not the right time for me to be part of this! We shouldn't NEED a campaign, it should be part of society already.

troutsprout · 31/01/2013 13:09

Great idea
Hate 'acceptance' and 'tolerance' though... Both feel like a 'crumbs from the big table ' approach....and that just makes my hackles rise .
I would second the idea that this could be about people with sn. Not just children.

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beautifulgirls · 31/01/2013 13:38

"This is me, understand me and support me..."

I don't like tolerance and even acceptance doesn't really sound inclusive enough. Definitely agree this needs to be about all people with SN not just children with SN.

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sickofsocalledexperts · 31/01/2013 13:48

What about "We're all in this together"

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elliejjtiny · 31/01/2013 14:27

Is this campaign about all children who have disabilities or just children who have learning/invisible disabilities?