Anyone able to help re: redundancies and trade unions?

[dillinger]

Apologies if I get wording/terms wrong but just wondered if anyone could help me to understand things better.

Redundancies at dps work and looks like its between dp and another guy who works there. They were told that whoever goes comes down to 3 things, scores for each would be given as points, and person with the least would be the one leaving.

Working it out approx dp thought that he might be able to scrape by due to a higher scores for all 3 catagories (Im sorry Im trying to explain without too much detail).

Hes just been informed by the other guy that hes got someone from a trade union to sit in with him during his meeting (all given a meeting to explain their side etc) and that if he's told he has the lowest score and therefor has to go, the trade union can overrule/change the decision so that he stays and therefor dp will be the one to leave.

Im trying to stay rational, dp is understandably crapping it. In my opinion (counts for zero I know) that cant be fair - if he can have the decision changed then surely the 'points scoring' system counts for shit? And therefor why should dp necessarily be the next one to go when theres many other workers there and the scores wouldnt mean anything?

Dont get me wrong - if dp has to go he has to go but this just doesnt seem right?

If you can understand through any of this well done!

Why can't DP get someone from the union to sit in his meeting as well?

Hes not a member of a union and has already had his meeting

That's not correct. The trade union don't have any right to overrule or change any decision. The decision is made by management, and if it's not done fairly, the employee and if applicable their union rep can challenge/appeal it. But they can't just change it if they don't agree.

A union rep will be useful to the other employee as they will generally have been involved in similar situations before, and will know all the right questions to ask. But the bottom line is if the scoring system used is fair, and scoring is done fairly, they have no right to overrule anything.

I take it your DP is not in a union? Is he taking anyone with him?

sorry x-posts

But if the other person has the lowest score he will go, unless he and/or his union rep is able to successfully demonstrate that the scoring was unfair in some way.

Talk to an employment solicitor, get a free consultation.

don't say anything to them but if sol. reckons you have a case then you've nothing to lose AFTER he's been made redundant.

at minimum he might have his package upped

Thanks. I will bookmark this thread and keep it updated. So stressful

When does he find out dillinger?

Think they get letters today about how the points are used (but obv doesnt say who got what points etc) then final decision on or by weds apparently

I mean Im hoping that the scoring is done fairly, I dont see how it cant be when its for everyone at the work, if it wasnt then that would change everything wouldnt it. And when the other guy has had more time off, less productivity and a more severe warning I dont see how any of that can be disputed. But what do I know.

Hate all this waiting

Horrible isn't it?

But those categories sound as though they're fairly measurable iyswim? Things like time off, level of warning you can't dispute or change, and depending on how things work, productivity can be easily measured as well. So it all seems quite fair and factual.

It sounds as though your DP's colleague has either been fed a load of crap by his union rep, or has got the wrong end of the stick entirely. They can't change the facts, so if on the basis of the criteria and scoring system given your DP scores higher than this other guy, that's that.

Oi Flowery here

Sorry for hijack

Thats what Im telling myself. Its what Im hoping - everythings there to see, records are all kept for the catagories etc. Im wondering if he laid it on a bit thick when talking to dp because hes obv extremely anxious too, knows dp didnt have anyone with him etc

Other guys had his meeting, they will get their letters at 5 and now final decision is to be announced on friday.

I just want it over and done with now