My DB was offered a job with a security compnay for £4.00 an hour

[saltire]

He refused, telling them that it was below the minimum wage and it was illegal.
The company said it was perfectly legal as DB would actually be classed as self employed, even though the company would be paying him. They also said it would be cahs in hand "so he could still claim dole".
I am 100% certain this cannot be correct. I have told DB to report them, but he's not keen in case what they are saying is correct

If they're offering to pay him in cash so he can claim benefits, they are definitely up to no good! Afaik, £4 p/h is not legal.

Dodgy, dodgy, dodgy. Being called self employed doesn't make you self employed. If you are obliged to accept tasks at the risk of doing no more work for the company, work dedicated hours for them, work directly under their supervision and are listed for PAYE, amongst other things, you are an employee, not self employed. Companies try to do this all the time but it doesn't matter what status they call someone by, it is what their work life actually looks like that is relevant.

Does that make any sense? Not an employment lawyer.

Bump anyway.

my v limited knowledge says if he is using their equipment and working to their timetable at their premises he cannot legally be called self employed. but loads of companies do it. cash in hand claiming dole would deffo get him in trouble.

Completely illegal and wrong in so many ways, he mustn't touch it with a barge pole.

Report the bastards.

Report them. Definitely illegal and they're encouraging him to defraud the benefit system?

Being 'properly' employed gives you so much more than the minimum wage. Given their attitude so far I can't imagine they'd be falling over themselves to fulfil their other responsibilities, like Health and Safety, sick pay, holidays, the legal amount of rest breaks, I could go on and on...

That is so dodgy. If he carries on signing on when he is not actually looking for a job he will be in a lot of trouble.

You can report them using the benefit fraud hotline confidentially and anonymously. The benefit fraud hotline is: 0800 854 440 its open till 11pm so the website says.

This is so unfair. These people are a drain on society we're all paying for them through our taxes. I've been a higher rate tax payer most of my career and I don't object (I'm quite liberal really). Currently I'm getting CTC as a single parent whos ex took off. I hate the labels of receiving a benefit but would rather see food on the table as I get my own business established. I pay my staff above minimum wage (more than I get) and have their NI contributions, sick, holiday, maternity/ parental leave, insurance and training costs to cover. It is people like them who give people like me trying to make a go of it a bad name. It is also people like them who tempt those of us financially struggling to tread the wrong path by statements such as 'cash in hand so you can still claim'.

Good on your DB for his integrity - hope something works out for you soon. I believe what goes around comes around and so his ethics will pay off.

Part of me is tempted to tell the Daily Ranger Record (a Scottish newspaper for those of you who don't know) as he is quite a well known face in Scottish sporting circles.
Not DB obviously

Saltire, IIRC the Inland revenue have the final say in whether a person can be self-employed or whether their status is correctly an employee. .

Report them to IR, DWP, Newspapers, whatever.

It might be that the company is defrauding the IR and other staff currently.

HTH

AFAIK the company would be paying him cash in hand, so maybe not registered for NI and tax?

Oho, the company may be erm what's the word, colluding (I think).

IR would be VERY interested I should think.

Have a look here

I don't actually know if they ahve a name though. I know my DB happened to be in a shop when the man who i'm on about called him over and asked if he wanted a job.