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PREMIUM BONDS MARCH ONWARDS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 04/03/2025 11:32

New thread and I've been asked to give some basic info. Feel free to add stuff

PB have been about since 1957

Been 30yrs (April 2024) since a million was then the highest prize

nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/30-years-premium-bonds-ps1-million-jackpots#

Each bond is £1. You have to buy in minimum of £25 so means 25 chances to win every purchase - years ago you could buy £1 at a time.

Odds of winning £1 million on Premium Bonds at face value are 1 in 2,489,469,818 if you have £25 in PBs.

However most people have more than £25 so the odds depend on how much you do hold.

If you have £100 the odds in any given month are 1 in 49,563,028

£1,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 4,954,991

£50,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 96,839

To win anything odds are 1 in 22000

So providing you have more than £100 you have better odds than winning the lottery 😄

And obviously far better than the lottery - you don’t lose your stake !!!!!!

Bonds have to be in for a clear month before going into the draw

If you want to cash bonds in then usually takes 3 days to go into your account

Winnings can be reinvested if holdings are under £50k

This means they will go into the next months draw without losing a month

Or sent to named bank account if winnings take over FH /want winnings in bank account

More info here

www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/savings/types-of-savings/premium-bonds

The best time to buy premium bonds is on the last day of the month, as this means they are only held by NSI for one month and one day, without being entered into the prize draw.

PB to me is the fun and thrill each month of what if I win big and a millionaire - to then hoping win thousands to a day or two later being grateful if win £25😂

I have nowhere near the maximum and probably never will unless I win £50k + on pb

But only takes one £1 to win that million !!!

I love seeing the low holdings win high amounts

We've seen over the years £100 win £100k and £50 win £25k and even £1 won £10k

Maximum is £50k per person so some do have all for family- mum dad and 2 kids so £200k etx

Those on the thread are varying from few hundred /few thousand - to 20/30k to full holdings of £50k

Everyone is welcome to join in whether small or full holdings

One would expect if had full holdings of £50k to win something every month and think over the year to earn the same as if in a high interest account to win around £1925 in prizes

If have £5k average luck is £175 winnings a year

Obviously some people have better 'luck' than others and some worse - Ie full holdings and not winning anything a month or two or even longer

PB odds calculator below

moneymarvel.co.uk/calculators/premium-bonds/

Or this one is quite good as shows the interest rate of the winnings - obv anything over 4% is good as if in an account you wouid be taxed so be more like 3%)

In August 2023, NS&I hiked the prize fund to a 24-year high of 4.65 per cent from 4 per cent, a level not seen since 1999 🙀🙀🙀🙀

But it has been steadily falling since, and of January 2025, the prize fund rate - the amount of the total fund paid out in prizes - is 4 per cent (www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-14127405/Premium-Bonds-prize-fund-rate-cut-NS-deals-blow-savers.html)

www.candidmoney.com/calculators/national-savings-premium-bond-calculator

From google (august 2023) - The consistent winners are the 1.16 million people who have the maximum £50,000.

They hold almost half of all premium bonds and, at current odds of 1/22000 can expect a monthly stream of tax-free prizes: two a month and three almost every other month, 28 or 29 a year totaling £1,925

From google (Jan 2024) Tho equally With Premium Bonds, for every person who wins £1 million, a lot of people have to win nothing. So the median average will always be lower than the mean average.

This means that, with average luck, most people will win less than the prize rate each year, regardless of how many bonds they hold

To work out your own personal % rate

Take your total prizes, divide it by the number of months and x by 12.

Then divide that figure into your total holding and x 100.

So say £500 prizes in 6 months / 6 x 12 = £1000.

Holdings £30,000 = 1000/30000 x 100 = 3.33% interest rate.

But many on here do have £50k and then consider moving it to an account that pays 4% if their bonds aren't doing very well as would then def get extra money

But remember savings /interest get taxed

PB and their winnings don't

So anything over 3% in winnings is considered good.

So they do dither whether to pull out from pb and put in high interest account if not winning anything so that they will def earn x amount of interest

But then lose the what if won a million or £100k

If you have PB but not sure if you have ever won esp if moved about a lot

you can write to NS&I. Include these details in the letter:

	Current name

	Current address

	Premium Bond holder number 

	All previous addresses where you might have registered bonds

	Your signature 

You can send your letter to:

NS&I,
Sunderland
SR43 2SB.

There are 2 apps afaik

Cream - prize checker and if won previous month will show a pic - which we all get excited over 😂😂😂

Blue - the app its self works but the showing early often doesn't work for me but those who reinvest their winnings say it shows if won the day before app shows 🙀🙀🙀

Seems the higher the winnings the earlier it shows and can be from 6pm the night before the app shows

And to confuse things I have a White app that is a bookmark - which shows info/list 😄😄😄

Now this has been debated on MANY times but seems to be correct

When do we find out if going to get a visit from AM 😂

The two winners of 
the £1million prizes will be contacted by Agent Million (AM) 😂😂 the day before the first working day of the corresponding month.

There may however be 
exceptions to this, such as when the first working day of the month is a 
bank holiday, for example.

So

Day before first working day - Millionaire knock /call

First day of working month - list showing all winners million to £1k winners - which I always put up for those who can't find it

Day after first working day , including weekends - cream app showing all winnings

You can also check to see if have won via this link with your holders number

www.nsandi.com/prize-checker

Hopefully I've covered everything

Good luck one and all 😄

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Blondeshavemorefun · 03/04/2025 12:56

IrrationalPremiumBondFury · 03/04/2025 00:20

Just to let you know that the Candid Money website is offline for a while @Blondeshavemorefun

What’s that ?

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rosalynd34 · 03/04/2025 14:36

Ok random one but has anyone else noticed stopping winning after a withdrawal? We had £20k of bonds and won almost every month, odd months without. We had to withdraw £5k due to a number of unfortunate incidents that required extra cash.

Since then, despite still having £15,275 holdings in the 7 months following that withdrawal, we havent won once, not a penny. I know its all luck and odds but it just feels like since withdrawing a portion, we are no longer being entered in?

Anyone else have similar or are we just really unlucky?

rosalynd34 · 03/04/2025 14:37

Quercus3 · 03/04/2025 08:25

Nothing for me on £3.5k. Haven't had anything since July 24 when I took out £10k for a house purchase - slowly building back up now!

Did you get wins before that withdrawal? Ive just posted as we had the same, regular wins, took out a portion and since then haven't had a single win.

Netaporter · 03/04/2025 14:44

Interesting discussion on R5L earlier with Martin Lewis on Adrian Chiles' show about PB and the statistics of winning with your £1 bond entry....

NS& I make 2 Millionaires pcm = 24 across the year.
Number of £1PB in existence = 120 billion.
Your chances of winning £1m therefore is about 1 in 60Billion....

It is fair to say ML is not a fan of PB's....

We can all dream though.

IrrationalPremiumBondFury · 03/04/2025 15:57

Your chances of winning £1m therefore is about 1 in 60Billion

Most people don't only have £1 in PBs though and an awful lot of people seem to have £50k. The more PBs you have, the better your chances of winning £1m or even more so another large prize. Sometimes even people with very small holdings beat the odds and win big. It's got to be someone.

IrrationalPremiumBondFury · 03/04/2025 16:03

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/04/2025 12:56

What’s that ?

You link to it in your OP 😂 Don't let the OP know that you haven't been reading the OP or you'll be in trouble! 😂

Darker · 03/04/2025 16:09

People buy premium bonds because they are low risk compared to stocks and shares, and prizes are a bit of fun. They are not an amazing investment.

ScarlettSunset · 03/04/2025 16:23

rosalynd34 · 03/04/2025 14:36

Ok random one but has anyone else noticed stopping winning after a withdrawal? We had £20k of bonds and won almost every month, odd months without. We had to withdraw £5k due to a number of unfortunate incidents that required extra cash.

Since then, despite still having £15,275 holdings in the 7 months following that withdrawal, we havent won once, not a penny. I know its all luck and odds but it just feels like since withdrawing a portion, we are no longer being entered in?

Anyone else have similar or are we just really unlucky?

I took out half of my holding last month (so this was the first month with my reduced holding). I'd never made any withdrawals from PB before.

I won £25 this month. It's not huge but I had rather expected to not win at all, so I was delighted.

MorganneA · 03/04/2025 16:36

rosalynd34 · 03/04/2025 14:36

Ok random one but has anyone else noticed stopping winning after a withdrawal? We had £20k of bonds and won almost every month, odd months without. We had to withdraw £5k due to a number of unfortunate incidents that required extra cash.

Since then, despite still having £15,275 holdings in the 7 months following that withdrawal, we havent won once, not a penny. I know its all luck and odds but it just feels like since withdrawing a portion, we are no longer being entered in?

Anyone else have similar or are we just really unlucky?

My dad did the same thing - withdrew £5k and seemed to stop winning. A few months later he put the £5k back in and started winning again. So maybe there’s something behind that theory…

Netaporter · 03/04/2025 16:43

IrrationalPremiumBondFury · 03/04/2025 15:57

Your chances of winning £1m therefore is about 1 in 60Billion

Most people don't only have £1 in PBs though and an awful lot of people seem to have £50k. The more PBs you have, the better your chances of winning £1m or even more so another large prize. Sometimes even people with very small holdings beat the odds and win big. It's got to be someone.

Completely agree - what I meant was that you need to hold the 1 in 60 billion number within your holding. Obviously if you hold £50,000 your chances increase significantly because you have 50,000 chances of winning each month but it is still huge odds. I do love any sort of competition though so I am all in 😂

Netaporter · 03/04/2025 16:47

Tbf, he was answering a conspiracy theorist's question on the show. He didn't volunteer the information randomly.

I think ML does raise interesting points. I had no idea that there were that many PBs in circulation (probably could have found out the information).

rosalynd34 · 03/04/2025 16:48

MorganneA · 03/04/2025 16:36

My dad did the same thing - withdrew £5k and seemed to stop winning. A few months later he put the £5k back in and started winning again. So maybe there’s something behind that theory…

I did consider trying to put a bit back in and see what happens.

ScarlettSunset · 03/04/2025 17:38

I'm being a bit thick but how does the odds of winning the premium bonds work out at 1 in 60billion?
Surely everyone that has even a single bond must have a 2 in 'however many bond holders there are' chance?! And lots of people have a much higher chance as they have far more than a single bond.
Two people HAVE to win the million every month regardless of how many numbers there are. I assume that one person couldn't win (as in not allowed) both million pound prizes?

InMySpareTime · 03/04/2025 17:50

@ScarlettSunsetthe 1 in 60Bn is per bond you hold and is technically 2 in 120Bn which is mathematically the same odds.
even if you have FH, the odds are 100k in 120Bn which is 1 in 1.2Million.
better than the lottery, and you keep your stake, but still long odds.

Netaporter · 03/04/2025 17:56

ScarlettSunset · 03/04/2025 17:38

I'm being a bit thick but how does the odds of winning the premium bonds work out at 1 in 60billion?
Surely everyone that has even a single bond must have a 2 in 'however many bond holders there are' chance?! And lots of people have a much higher chance as they have far more than a single bond.
Two people HAVE to win the million every month regardless of how many numbers there are. I assume that one person couldn't win (as in not allowed) both million pound prizes?

I did clarify what I meant upthread I think but possibly very badly 😂and maybe good old Martin himself has got me into a muddle....

It is the case that If you have £50,000 in bonds you have 50,000 chances that your specific £1 number is selected. Which is greater odds than someone holding £100 of bonds who has 100 chances. But the chances of any £1 bond number being selected remains the same: 1 in 120 billion regardless of who holds what. So probably not 1 in 60billion.

TerrifiedPassenger · 03/04/2025 18:02

£25 for me on full holdings. My average return this last year is less than 1%. Really considering withdrawing the lot and bunging in a bog standard building society account.

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/04/2025 18:07

IrrationalPremiumBondFury · 03/04/2025 16:03

You link to it in your OP 😂 Don't let the OP know that you haven't been reading the OP or you'll be in trouble! 😂

Pmsl

noted

didn’t know it was called that 😂

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sameshizz · 03/04/2025 18:09

TerrifiedPassenger · 03/04/2025 18:02

£25 for me on full holdings. My average return this last year is less than 1%. Really considering withdrawing the lot and bunging in a bog standard building society account.

Exactly what Ive just done . But I’ll miss the ‘hope’

ScarlettSunset · 03/04/2025 18:15

Sorry, I have another silly question about premium bond numbers. I withdrew some last month, so I no longer have those bonds on my account. Do those numbers get reallocated to someone else? Or are they just not used anymore?
I read that they are not eligible for draws but not quite sure if that's just until they are used again.

WobblyLondoner · 03/04/2025 18:58

£100 for me on FH. Acutely aware of the discrepancy between that and the £250 I got the same month for £50kin a cash ISA …

Blondeshavemorefun · 03/04/2025 20:50

ScarlettSunset · 03/04/2025 18:15

Sorry, I have another silly question about premium bond numbers. I withdrew some last month, so I no longer have those bonds on my account. Do those numbers get reallocated to someone else? Or are they just not used anymore?
I read that they are not eligible for draws but not quite sure if that's just until they are used again.

I guess they won’t be used ever again as when I reinvest my bonds are always higher letters /numbers

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Yellowshirt · 03/04/2025 22:37

sameshizz · 03/04/2025 18:09

Exactly what Ive just done . But I’ll miss the ‘hope’

@sameshizz . I'm considering it as well but I get very confused about the tax on savings and whether it effects my tax code and messes with my wages.

Yellowshirt · 03/04/2025 22:40

@TerrifiedPassenger . I've been looking as well. Not sure at all what's best to do

springintoaction321 · 04/04/2025 12:29

@WobblyLondoner That's a fantastic interest rate on your ISA! Would you mind sharing which ISA that is and what the rate is please? Thank you