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Tolsty · 18/01/2025 14:47

I have 200K savings.I am aiming to buy a house around 400k.I can easily save 100K in a year.

Should I wait another two years to make my saving and buy with own cash of 400K OR should I mortgage now with 50% deposit and stuck for next 22 plus years with monthly payments.

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InfoSecInTheCity · 18/01/2025 21:05

Nope. Sorry but there's no way you have a the necessary education to have a career in Biology earning enough money to save 100k a year and can be this ill informed about mortgages.

Are you by any chance bored on a Saturday evening and trying to see what kind of engagement you can get?

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:11

Yes I m quite ill informed on lot of stuff-one is mortgage.I m not a key board "entertainer" -trust me 😂.I m literally confused about mortgage.I m so grateful to every one for their thoughts.

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FrannyScraps · 18/01/2025 21:12

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 20:58

@FrannyScraps you are right.I m quite dumb in math because I am biology

To complete the necessary A levels, degree, masters, whatever, to gain a career in biology ( I assume that's what you meant by 'I am biology'), then yes you would be able to grasp what a mortgage is and how buying a house works.

I don't have a mortgage, I've never owned my own house. I am a lowly childcare worker living in social housing, but even I can understand.

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:16

@FrannyScraps bless you

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SweedieLie · 18/01/2025 21:17

FrannyScraps · 18/01/2025 21:12

To complete the necessary A levels, degree, masters, whatever, to gain a career in biology ( I assume that's what you meant by 'I am biology'), then yes you would be able to grasp what a mortgage is and how buying a house works.

I don't have a mortgage, I've never owned my own house. I am a lowly childcare worker living in social housing, but even I can understand.

I think it's fairly clear that English isn't the op's first language. So there may well also be cultural issues contributing to her lack of understanding.

InfoSecInTheCity · 18/01/2025 21:21

I asked ChatGPT to "explain how mortgages work in England"

A mortgage in England is a type of loan that people use to buy a home or property. The borrower takes out the loan from a bank or building society (or other lenders) and agrees to repay it over a period of time, typically 25 years, though this can vary. Here's how mortgages generally work in England:

1. Types of Mortgages

There are a few key types of mortgages in the UK:

  • Repayment Mortgage: This is the most common type. With a repayment mortgage, you make monthly payments that cover both the interest on the loan and the principal (the amount you borrowed). Over time, as you make payments, the amount of your loan decreases until it’s fully paid off.

  • Interest-Only Mortgage: With an interest-only mortgage, your monthly payments only cover the interest on the loan, not the principal. The original loan amount remains unchanged. You’ll need to pay off the principal in full by the end of the mortgage term, often via savings or another financial product.

  • Fixed-Rate Mortgage: The interest rate remains the same for a set period, usually 2, 3, 5, or 10 years. This provides stability as your payments don’t change during that time, even if interest rates in the market go up.

  • Variable-Rate Mortgage: With a variable-rate mortgage, the interest rate can change over time. There are different types, such as:

    • Standard Variable Rate (SVR): This is the lender's default interest rate, which can go up or down at their discretion.
    • Tracker Mortgages: These track an external interest rate (often the Bank of England base rate), meaning your payments can fluctuate in line with changes in that rate.
    • Discounted Rate Mortgages: These offer a discount off the lender’s SVR for a set period, but the rate can still change.
  • Offset Mortgages: These link your savings and your mortgage together. The balance in your savings account is used to reduce the amount of your mortgage that you pay interest on. You don’t earn interest on your savings, but it can help reduce the overall cost of your mortgage.

2. Applying for a Mortgage

When applying for a mortgage in England, lenders will assess your ability to repay the loan. This process is known as a mortgage affordability check and includes:

  • Income: How much you earn and whether your income is stable.
  • Outgoings: Your monthly spending, such as on bills, loans, and general living expenses.
  • Credit History: Your credit score, which reflects how well you’ve managed debt in the past. A higher credit score can make it easier to get a mortgage and secure better terms.
  • Deposit: The amount of money you can put down as an initial payment towards the property. In the UK, most lenders require a deposit of at least 5% to 20% of the property’s value.

3. Deposit

In the UK, you will typically need to pay a deposit when buying a property, which is a percentage of the property's value. The more you can put down, the better the mortgage deal you might get. For example:

  • 95% Loan-to-Value (LTV): This means you pay a 5% deposit and borrow 95% of the property’s value.
  • 80% Loan-to-Value (LTV): A 20% deposit is required, which could give you access to more competitive mortgage rates.

The higher your deposit, the lower the loan amount and the less risk to the lender, which could result in a lower interest rate for you.

4. Mortgage Term

The term of a mortgage is typically 25 years, but it can range from 10 to 40 years. A longer term reduces the size of your monthly payments, but you’ll end up paying more in interest over time. A shorter term means higher monthly payments, but less overall interest.

5. Monthly Payments

Each month, you’ll make a mortgage payment that goes toward paying off both the principal (the amount you borrowed) and the interest (the cost of borrowing). The amount you pay depends on the mortgage type, interest rate, term length, and amount borrowed.

6. Interest Rates

The interest rate on a mortgage determines how much extra you’ll pay on top of the amount you borrow. Mortgage rates in England are often influenced by:

  • Bank of England Base Rate: This is the interest rate set by the Bank of England, which can affect lenders' rates.

  • Market Conditions: Mortgage rates can change depending on inflation, economic conditions, and market demand.

  • Fixed rates provide security because your monthly payments won’t change.

  • Variable rates can fluctuate over time, so monthly payments might increase or decrease based on market conditions.

7. Repaying the Mortgage

Over the life of the mortgage, you’ll continue to make monthly payments until the loan is fully repaid. If you don’t repay your mortgage, the lender can take legal action to repossess your property.

8. Early Repayment Charges

Some mortgage contracts include early repayment charges (ERCs) if you pay off the mortgage early, or make overpayments beyond a certain limit. This is more common with fixed-rate or discounted mortgages, where the lender might lose out on interest payments if you pay off the loan early.

9. Stamp Duty

When buying property in England, you’ll need to pay stamp duty land tax (SDLT) if the property value exceeds a certain threshold. The amount varies depending on the property price and whether you are a first-time buyer or own other property.

10. Re-mortgaging

After some years, many homeowners choose to re-mortgage, which means taking out a new mortgage to pay off the old one. This can happen for various reasons, such as securing a better interest rate, borrowing additional funds, or changing the mortgage terms.

11. Legal and Other Costs

There are various legal and administrative costs involved in securing a mortgage, such as:

  • Conveyancing Fees: Legal fees for transferring the property title.
  • Valuation Fees: To assess the property's market value.
  • Mortgage Arrangement Fees: Some lenders charge fees to arrange your mortgage.

Risks of Mortgages in England

  • Negative Equity: If property prices fall, you could end up owing more than your home is worth.
  • Repossession: If you don’t keep up with payments, the lender can take possession of your home to recover the loan amount.
  • Rising Interest Rates: For variable rate mortgages, payments can increase if the Bank of England raises interest rates.

In summary, a mortgage in England is a loan to help you buy a property, and it comes with various types and terms to suit different needs. It's important to carefully consider how much you can afford, the interest rate, the type of mortgage, and your long-term financial situation before committing to one.

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:25

@InfoSecInTheCity I cannot thank you enough for above post.let me read it.It appear informative to a dumb person like me regarding mortgage.🫠
I will get back to you

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Gottastoppostingsomuch · 18/01/2025 21:32

I would weigh up the financials of both scenarios, so if you buy now, you will have a one-off mortgage arrangement fee, and out of your monthly mortgage payments the bank will deduct a certain amount in interest until 2 years is up and you can repay the mortgage in full when your fixed term ends. You will probably be able to overpay up to 10% each year up to then but this can vary depending on lender). In 2 years time will have paid down some of your mortgage and your house may have gone up in value (see Money saving expert mortgage overpayment calculator for how much you’ll pay off each month vs interest paid). But you will have the bills and maintenance of looking after a house for that time (it’s not clear where you are living now maybe with family etc)
Second scenario, you keep paying your current living costs and save another 200k. So you also add in interest earned on your savings (minus tax paid on interest), minus living expenses. Also consider if you think house prices will have gone up / down in 2 years time.you will also be in a stronger buying / negotiating position as a cash buyer. But would you like the security of a home now, in case your job position changes, health issues, you can’t save as much as you think etc

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:37

@Gottastoppostingsomuch very useful thoughts.really appreciate.now things lightening up

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Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:38

@InfoSecInTheCity interesting read.Thanks my dear👏👏

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Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:38

@SweedieLie bless you

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Gottastoppostingsomuch · 18/01/2025 21:41

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:37

@Gottastoppostingsomuch very useful thoughts.really appreciate.now things lightening up

No worries! Here’s the mortgage calculator that will tell you your total debt and amount paid of per year

www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/mortgage-overpayment-calculator/

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:43

@Gottastoppostingsomuch let's get it straight.
If I understands you correctly-you are saying that after two years fixed I can pay the full remaining amount in one go without any interest?(lets say I paid 20K in two years so I can pay other 180K (out of total 200k loan in one go???

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Gottastoppostingsomuch · 18/01/2025 21:45

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:43

@Gottastoppostingsomuch let's get it straight.
If I understands you correctly-you are saying that after two years fixed I can pay the full remaining amount in one go without any interest?(lets say I paid 20K in two years so I can pay other 180K (out of total 200k loan in one go???

Yes, because your fixed deal will come to an end and you will be put on the lenders standard variable rate tariff. As this isn’t fixed, you have no early repayment fee, and you can pay off your mortgage completely. (Any other posters please correct me if I’m wrong here!)

Ohnobackagain · 18/01/2025 21:46

Lots of ways. You can get a mortgage for various time periods, 5 or 10 years and you can over pay if you have one without early repayment properties. Have a look on Money Saving Expert.

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:50

@Gottastoppostingsomuch that's a good news.so after two years fixed I can pay full remaining principal amount.But will there be any variable interest to pay as well after two years?

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Gottastoppostingsomuch · 18/01/2025 21:51

(With NatWest I think you can actually overpay up to 20% per year on a fixed rate with no penalty)

Gottastoppostingsomuch · 18/01/2025 21:54

Tolsty · 18/01/2025 21:50

@Gottastoppostingsomuch that's a good news.so after two years fixed I can pay full remaining principal amount.But will there be any variable interest to pay as well after two years?

No, the monthly interest charges will stop as soon as it’s paid off. Lots on the NatWest website to explain you can pay off the mortgage in full when on a standard variable rate, but also each bank will have a mortgage phone line you can call that can explain this further

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