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Huge overpayment child benefit

247 replies

sarahjnm · 04/11/2024 16:04

Hadn't realised living with £60k earner meant that I shouldn't rcve child benefit for my daughter. Only just realised. It's been 10 years.
Anyone else been in this situation? I'm guessing I pay all back and penalties too. Could be as much as £15k.
I'm feeling suicidal at the thought. Our family are struggling as it is with various other things.

OP posts:
hairymotherplucker · 05/11/2024 20:03

dementedpixie · 05/11/2024 19:55

Have you not thought about opting out of payment if he earns over £80K

Yep. I've asked him to sort this every year for the past 5 years. They're so difficult to get through to, he gives up (arghhh). Anyways, this year, they replied in the summer and said he didn't have a claim. I checked my HMRC account (no idea!) and the claim was in my name and was SO simple to cancel. BUT we'll still have to pay it back this year. Argghhhhhhh

pollymere · 05/11/2024 20:18

When we had no income we got Child Tax Credits. When my husband got a job it meant we'd been overpaid for the year by quite a considerable amount. We paid it back at about ten pounds a month for the next fifteen years. The only time it was a larger amount was when they turned 18!

You can argue to only pay back what you can afford after your outgoings and they don't check once it's set up.

Laura95167 · 05/11/2024 20:29

The threshold was £50k earners until this year. But it's a sliding scale depending on how much your partner earned. I'd get some advice from CAB or similar and be honest and ask for a payment plan

Laura95167 · 05/11/2024 20:32

Swissrollover · 04/11/2024 16:35

As I understand it, he is the one that owes the money, as he should have been declaring it in his Self Assessment. How do your finances as a couple work? Is the child his?

Edited

It's the higher earner who legally obliged to pay irrespective whether that's the claimant or the partner

Grayson1965 · 05/11/2024 21:00

Well that's something I didn't know

CommonAsMucklowe · 05/11/2024 21:23

Tax man caught up with me after TEN years for an overpayment they want back. Ten years! Just got a letter saying pay up £2k which I couldn't so they've changed my tax code. I had absolutely no idea.

sarahjnm · 05/11/2024 21:33

CommonAsMucklowe · 05/11/2024 21:23

Tax man caught up with me after TEN years for an overpayment they want back. Ten years! Just got a letter saying pay up £2k which I couldn't so they've changed my tax code. I had absolutely no idea.

For child benefit too?

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shehasglasses48 · 05/11/2024 21:35

Did you really think living with someone with such a high income that you’d be entitled to state aid?

sarahjnm · 05/11/2024 21:43

shehasglasses48 · 05/11/2024 21:35

Did you really think living with someone with such a high income that you’d be entitled to state aid?

Not helpful 😊

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tealbead · 05/11/2024 22:10

shehasglasses48 · 05/11/2024 21:35

Did you really think living with someone with such a high income that you’d be entitled to state aid?

You can have two earners in the house earning just under the threshold each and be entitled to it! Yet you can have one earning nothing or very little and the other just over (so a much lower household income) and have to pay some/ all of it back!

Here they sign the mother up when they register the birth which I think is a good idea.

My DH earns over the threshold but I have opted to keep mine for my own personal reasons and he does a SA (he wouldn’t normally do one) and pays it back each year. We’ve been aware of this for the past 10 years and he keeps the money aside each month so it’s not a big deal. He has no issue with this whatsoever.

Justwingingit2005 · 05/11/2024 22:18

We had a £5k tax credit overpayment. There was a issue with the figures. Their input fault but we never checked the letters either. They did want it all back in one go but we agreed a payment plan. Also happened to my workmate.

MustWeDoThis · 05/11/2024 23:04

sarahjnm · 04/11/2024 16:04

Hadn't realised living with £60k earner meant that I shouldn't rcve child benefit for my daughter. Only just realised. It's been 10 years.
Anyone else been in this situation? I'm guessing I pay all back and penalties too. Could be as much as £15k.
I'm feeling suicidal at the thought. Our family are struggling as it is with various other things.

You can speak to the debt management team and offer to set up affordable payments. Payments start from £3+ onwards, a week or monthly. Take a breath - Yes it's a big overpayment, but it happens to us all, you still have an income, a roof over your head, food in your belly. If you are feeling suicidal, there are also teams there who can support you with this and support setting up small, affordable payment plans. You're going to be OK.

Pineapple35 · 06/11/2024 05:55

No advice, was in same situation husband wage plus bonus tipped him over 80k.
Hmrc wanted full amount paid back straight away 😫

Hummingbird445566 · 06/11/2024 06:31

Cancel your claim now! I’m all for right and wrong but in this instance, if you have made a genuine mistake, just try and remove your name from their system and hope!

sarahjnm · 06/11/2024 06:32

Pineapple35 · 06/11/2024 05:55

No advice, was in same situation husband wage plus bonus tipped him over 80k.
Hmrc wanted full amount paid back straight away 😫

What happened? Payment plan? Penalties?

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sarahjnm · 06/11/2024 06:33

Hummingbird445566 · 06/11/2024 06:31

Cancel your claim now! I’m all for right and wrong but in this instance, if you have made a genuine mistake, just try and remove your name from their system and hope!

The claim is under my ex husband, money directed to my account. He has to cancel. Which we will do.

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Pineapple35 · 06/11/2024 06:55

sarahjnm · 06/11/2024 06:32

What happened? Payment plan? Penalties?

They changed his tax code
and we paid 2 lump sums

Ukrainebaby23 · 06/11/2024 12:16

Ime owning up and dealing with it is much less stressful than worrying about the what might happen scenarios.

I can see a mistake was made, awkward when 2 households involved. Be clear with HMRC as I found your post confusing with exh and cDH.

eastegg · 06/11/2024 13:39

thesunisastar · 04/11/2024 17:01

I don't think it's fair to lay this at your wife's door. There can be good reasons to continue claiming child benefit, including providing the non-working/lower income parent with a direct income of their own, and protecting their national insurance contributions while the children are young.

It's actually very clear that it is the responsibility of the higher earner to pay the tax charge.

From the gov website:

^Your partner is responsible for paying the tax charge if their adjusted net income is also more than:

  • £60,000 and higher than yours (for the tax year 2024 to 2025)
  • £50,000 and higher than yours (for tax years 2012 to 2013 up to tax year 2023 to 2024)^

This, completely. Mothers who carry on receiving CB are doing nothing wrong.

laraitopbanana · 06/11/2024 18:01

HappyFitnessQueen · 04/11/2024 16:07

Also, it won't be the full amount owed. It's a sliding scale. You'll have been entitled to a reduced amount of child benefit...not £0.

It just went up and £60 is now the minumum. Before that it was £70 or 80 max…

op, you will not be the one paying though. It will be your partner and deducted from his/her pay so make sure they know.

kkloo · 06/11/2024 18:15

laraitopbanana · 06/11/2024 18:01

It just went up and £60 is now the minumum. Before that it was £70 or 80 max…

op, you will not be the one paying though. It will be your partner and deducted from his/her pay so make sure they know.

The OP said she's going to be paying it.
For some reason she's taking all the blame for it and responsibility for paying it back.

laraitopbanana · 06/11/2024 18:22

kkloo · 06/11/2024 18:15

The OP said she's going to be paying it.
For some reason she's taking all the blame for it and responsibility for paying it back.

Missed that, thanks :)

sarahjnm · 06/11/2024 19:08

Various ways of paying as per people on this thread who have gone through the same.
Lump sum split into 2
One big payment up front
Installments arranged with a payment plan, through paye most often.
Yes he will pay but I will reimburse him the money. My mistake for still rcving it. No abuse in the relationship. He's a generous family man. This isn't his problem to manage on his own. Yes he should have checked with me. And yes I should have questioned rcving it. Hindsight.

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AnneElliott · 06/11/2024 19:33

dementedpixie · 04/11/2024 17:06

The high income benefit charge started in 2013 so people should really know about it by now. Why didn't your dh know you were claiming it?

Although I had to actively tell my accountant- he'd never heard of it! Lucky I had.

FrankieStein403 · 06/11/2024 20:07

>I had to actively tell my accountant- he'd never heard of it

Change your accountant, I'd immediately think what else doesn't he know about? The accountant might prepare your tax return but it's your signature on the submission - if he misses something it's all on you.

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