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Renters rights bill

276 replies

MoneyNeverSleeps · 22/09/2024 16:41

A question for LL’s please - what changes will you make in preparation for Labours Renters rights bill please? And what do you see as the wider consequences?

For those who simply wish to hate on LL’s, please don’t bother posting.

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MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 07:44

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 07:26

Wider consequences is that there will be no houses to rent, people are already struggling to find rented properties.
You may have to go through eviction process, as council refuse to rehome without eviction. Be a good landlord & don't pass on the court fees to your tenants.

Absolutely.

We don’t wish to harm anyone or make life tougher than it already is.

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TeenagersAngst · 23/09/2024 08:03

@Bluefields96 you are correct that Labour is continuing with a Bill drawn up under the previous government. The key difference is that they are proceeding with the S21 removal before a thorough assessment of court readiness has been completed. The Tories halted the S21 removal because of concerns the courts could not cope with increased numbers of S8s.

MySocksAreDotty · 23/09/2024 08:04

Why are you chucking your good tenants out if you're not sure of selling, though? If you want 'astronomical' rent then surely you can raise it over a period of time?

MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:09

MySocksAreDotty · 23/09/2024 08:04

Why are you chucking your good tenants out if you're not sure of selling, though? If you want 'astronomical' rent then surely you can raise it over a period of time?

It provides us with optionality.

Sell or relet basis a much higher rent, which we know our current tenants cannot afford (we have kept rents low over the years).

Simples.

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MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:10

@MoneyNeverSleeps then why evict them and then think of raising the rent? Why not do it over time? Thats not great landlord behaviour.

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:10

How do you know they cannot afford it?

MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:11

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:10

@MoneyNeverSleeps then why evict them and then think of raising the rent? Why not do it over time? Thats not great landlord behaviour.

See mine above.

Ive been an exceptional LL but I won’t paper up the cracks in Labour policy.

Im not a charity.

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MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:11

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:10

How do you know they cannot afford it?

We know their income of course.

Simple multiples.

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MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:12

How an earth do you know their income? My LL doesn't know mine.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:14

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:12

How an earth do you know their income? My LL doesn't know mine.

Keep going.

We have rental insurance and it’s a yearly stipulation.

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Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 23/09/2024 08:18

DadJoke · 22/09/2024 20:40

Houses don’t miraculously disappear when LLs sell them. Please don’t feel bad for you tenants - feel happy that people’s mortgages will become more affordable.

Being a LL is not a public service. If rentier capitalism is not working out for you, that’s fine.

Yes because it so easy to get a mortgage isn't it when you have to get a massive deposit 🙄. I pay more rent per month than a mortgage would cost me but can't get one.

That's the issue that needs sorting out more than anything.

Woodstocks · 23/09/2024 08:20

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:10

How do you know they cannot afford it?

You have to declare income in the rental checks when you apply.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:23

MeMyCatsAndI · 23/09/2024 08:12

How an earth do you know their income? My LL doesn't know mine.

If I were your LL I would be asking you.

Given the forthcoming bill, your LLs risk will increase.

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Startingagainandagain · 23/09/2024 08:43

Labour would not need to put new measures in place if landlords were more responsible.

There are simply too many cases of rogue landlords not maintaining properties and renting places that are dangerous to tenants (mould, damp...) and who evict tenants when they complain about the state of the property rather than repair them as should be their duty.

So if you want to blame anyone for this, it has to be the greedy, rogue landlords who have hoovered up too many properties and fail to do their job correctly and who have given the BTL sector a bad name.

Of course there also needs to be more affordable/social housing built as well to improve the overall rental market.

But landlords and letting agencies in this country need better regulation because there is simply too much exploitation going on.

hattie43 · 23/09/2024 08:45

I think the whole thing is so badly thought out . If they had any sense they'd vastly increase the volume of social housing before pressuring landlords . Exactly where do the government think the low paid are going to live . They'll be on the streets because there's not enough housing stock for everyone that needs it . There isn't enough now never mind when landlords start evicting .
It also gauls me that council stock is some of the very worst , we've all seen the flats with water pouring through the ceiling and children dying of mould etc so put your money where your mouth is and get your own house in order before coming after private landlords who in the main do a decent job , tackle the rogues but no need for this blanket approach.

Summerhillsquare · 23/09/2024 08:48

MoneyNeverSleeps · 22/09/2024 20:32

Thanks - we are in a similar situation to you.

Pondering our options.

Why? That post totally contradicts itself. Decent landlords will carry on as normal.

Bromptotoo · 23/09/2024 08:51

TeenagersAngst · 23/09/2024 08:03

@Bluefields96 you are correct that Labour is continuing with a Bill drawn up under the previous government. The key difference is that they are proceeding with the S21 removal before a thorough assessment of court readiness has been completed. The Tories halted the S21 removal because of concerns the courts could not cope with increased numbers of S8s.

Do you believe the story about courts/capacity?

Plenty of commentators say that's a smokescreen and the real reason was rebellion by Tory MPs who were landlords.

MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:51

Summerhillsquare · 23/09/2024 08:48

Why? That post totally contradicts itself. Decent landlords will carry on as normal.

You confuse decency with solvency.

You think LLs should perform a social/charitable role, at a loss/potential loss?

What nonsense.

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MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:52

Bromptotoo · 23/09/2024 08:51

Do you believe the story about courts/capacity?

Plenty of commentators say that's a smokescreen and the real reason was rebellion by Tory MPs who were landlords.

Yes re court capacity.

From colleague expérience.

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DrRiverSong · 23/09/2024 08:58

I am a decent landlord. Better than decent. But I’m getting out before it becomes harder to remove tenants when they are causing damage to my property and nuisance to my neighbours. It’s not worth the stress, not alongside the right margins and reduced tax relief.

TeenagersAngst · 23/09/2024 08:59

@Bromptotoo I know LLs who are waiting months for court dates. So, no, it's not a smokescreen although that's handy for anyone who doesn't want to acknowledge the facts.

ZaZathecat · 23/09/2024 09:01

I work on an advice line and the majority of housing problems (extreme damp/mould for example) are from housing association tenants - social housing in this area is all outsourced to housing associations. People are often left for months and months with serious issues that are health or safety risks. I believe these are the sort of things that the new proposals are meant to address, they are not intended to discourage normal, good landlords who try to do the best for their tenants. I am a landlord myself and am not worried.

TeenagersAngst · 23/09/2024 09:02

ZaZathecat · 23/09/2024 09:01

I work on an advice line and the majority of housing problems (extreme damp/mould for example) are from housing association tenants - social housing in this area is all outsourced to housing associations. People are often left for months and months with serious issues that are health or safety risks. I believe these are the sort of things that the new proposals are meant to address, they are not intended to discourage normal, good landlords who try to do the best for their tenants. I am a landlord myself and am not worried.

This is the real travesty - social housing is far less well maintained than private rental stock. But no one wants to talk about that.

Summerhillsquare · 23/09/2024 09:03

MoneyNeverSleeps · 23/09/2024 08:51

You confuse decency with solvency.

You think LLs should perform a social/charitable role, at a loss/potential loss?

What nonsense.

I'm not confused at all. I won't make a loss because the property is properly managed. Absolutely basic requirements for letting which they have all over Europe (in fact stronger mostly) and the sky hasn't fallen in.

The country absolutely is desperate for investment in the courts, in social housing, in drug and alcohol prevention etc that's what 14 years of the Tory landlords in charge do for you.

Summerhillsquare · 23/09/2024 09:05

TeenagersAngst · 23/09/2024 09:02

This is the real travesty - social housing is far less well maintained than private rental stock. But no one wants to talk about that.

No, it isn't, it attracts more media attention and tenants are more likely to pursue complaints because they don't fear eviction in the same way. Look up the Housing Quality survey data.

Concerning that people claiming to work in the sector don't know the basics.