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Air miles and other holiday tips

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Mumsanella · 25/08/2024 17:00

I’m feeling outpriced of the all inclusive holiday market and will be for the foreseeable. I used to book Sensatori holidays but these are now quite literally double the price. But I also love holidaying in nice places at a decent standard. My daughter’s school friends all seem to go away multiple times a way - skiing, winter sun, summer holidays and city breaks - and I can’t work out how as they are on similar incomes. I was discussing the cost of holidays with one of the school mums and she mentioned that her and her husband are obsessive about collecting air miles and never pay for flights (just taxes). Is this actually possible and is she being truthful? If anyone manages to reduce the cost of holidays by using air miles, what credit card do you have and how much do you have to spend on it a month to get decent air miles?

Do you holiday with other families to split costs?

Any other tips for cheap but nice holidays?

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GogoGobo · 25/08/2024 21:00

Hi, I got an Amex card via BA about 18 months, I got a signing on bonus and also put as much through the card as I could so as I spent £15k via the card I got a companion flight voucher. So I’ve just used my Avios points to get a reward flight, used the companion voucher and so 2 flights to Barbados for £300 return for the 2 of them. I would normally stay in a nice hotel but the costs have doubled like your previous trips, so we’ve booked an apartment but on an estate that has golf,tennis, gym, pool etc so it won’t feel massively different experience wise. I have become much more creative with flights and accommodation and I’m now managing to get a weeks skiing and a summer holiday next year for what I spent on 1 week in the sun this year. It can be done!

Namechangedforthis25 · 26/08/2024 00:54

Hi yes got an Amex ba - got a sign on bonus of 30000 points. That was in June. I can already get free flights to Barcelona..

Bjorkdidit · 26/08/2024 06:33

I don't know anything about air miles because they're only really an option if you can fly from a London airport but obviously they're not going to help with the cost of an AI hotel.

You'd also need to consider whether they genuinely save money or just get a discount off a more expensive flight to bring it down to the cost of a cheaper one as you can fly to Barcelona for under £100 with Easyjet etc.

I think a lot of people who get a lot of air miles do so via their job because otherwise you'd need to spend a lot of your own money to get a meaningful amount to use, so if that was the case, you'd not be worrying about the cost of a holiday. But obviously not everyone has the chance to get air miles through work and they might not be allowed to keep them for personal use if they do - this is specifically banned in my work travel policy for example.

As for how your friends can afford holidays when you can't it will be either that they have more money than you think (inheritance, earn more, there can be huge variation in what 'similar jobs' pay), holidays are paid for by someone else, eg grandparents, or they spend less in other areas and use that money to pay for holidays, eg if their housing costs are lower, or they're more frugal in other areas - there's so many things where the amount of money that people spend can vary significantly. If you're at the upper end and they're at the lower end, that could explain how they apparently have more money for holidays than you.

Eg food and drink, both groceries and eating out, lunches, coffees etc. If you spend a lot here and they don't that could be thousands of pounds a year difference.

Also 'personal appearance'. Some people spend a lot on hair, nails, waxing, fake tan, botox and other enhancements, make up, creams, clothes, shoes and accessories, others spend very little. Again, could make a difference of £1k pa or more.

What do you spend on cars and commuting compared to them? Also broadband, phone, subscriptions etc.

For 'middle income' people, ie not those on the breadline and not people who can spend without thought, there could easily be a difference of £10k pa or more in spending without a noticeable difference in lifestyle to the casual observer, which will obviously pay for holidays, and that's without even thinking about variation in potentially bigger costs of housing and childcare.

As for reducing the cost, if your benchmark is 5 star AI in the school holidays, there's endless ways to have a nice holiday for less. You have to think about what is most important to you and concentrate on getting that.

For example, the weather and the beach/sea is exactly the same whether you stay in an apartment or 5 star resort. So if you self cater but eat out once a day plus stock up on drinks, snacks, ice creams and easy food from the supermarket, you can have a nicer experience than the cheaper AI hotels but for less than the price of the high end version.

GJMJ · 26/08/2024 06:53

We have a Virgin Atlantic Credit Card, last year flew from Manchester to Orlando First Class for just the taxes. You can also use Virgin Points now on hotels booked through Virgin Holidays so we had four nights at a Universal hotel for free!

mitogoshi · 26/08/2024 07:04

Yes collect air miles, use booking.com and direct to look for deals, drive (particularly for the summer) skied in Scotland (drove, no travel insurance, cheap hotel). But most of all, think outside the box about destinations, if they are not typically family destinations you can get better deals in summer

Bjorkdidit · 26/08/2024 07:05

@GJMJ How long did it take you to save points for that trip and how much was your own money compared with business travel?

The amount that needs to be spent to get free first class flights and 4 nights in a hotel must be significant, it's not an option available to most people or likely the most cost effective way of people on average incomes reducing their holiday costs.

roses2 · 26/08/2024 07:08

Yes I also have a BA Amex card and have used this to book several free flights. However the bonus is mostly in the first year. Years 2, 3 etc are harder unless you are a high spender as they give a hefty welcome bonus when you join which helps with the first few flight bookings.

SheilaFentiman · 26/08/2024 07:12

We have earned and used a number of BA Amex companion vouchers in the past, which make your airmiles go twice as far. However, it was easier before we were bound to school holidays as there are only a certain number of reward seats per flight. If you put things like train season tickets on it, and every weekly shop, it will build up but not necessarily to give you a voucher every year.

Sometimes the airlines load an erroneous fare and need to honour it -forums like flyertalk can help with spotting these.

FairyPoppins · 26/08/2024 08:45

We have a BA Amex, I also think HSBC do an air miles card?
We have used ours for flights, but have also booked Florida next May... booked the hotel & flights through BA holidays, upgraded to Premium Plus seats, and have an outstanding cash balance of £800...
The card is used for our business, but if I was just using it for day to day living I think it would take a long time to save a good quantity of points

hobblingAlong · 26/08/2024 08:49

I have a virgin Atlantic card. We put everything on it even small purchases as they all add up and just pay it off straight away. I also get points from my tescos shop.

Every few years we have enough points to go first class long haul somewhere with just paying for the taxes.

It's a bit of a faff trying to get two reward seats but as we typically book almost a year in advance it's perfectly doable.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 09:12

Air miles are good for DIY bookings, but they're mostly useful for being able to book higher class seats cheaper. I could never justify paying the cost of PE or business class in cash, so the air miles make that more palatable. We still pay card fees (x 2 for companion vouchers) and taxes etc so it's really not a huge saving, I wouldn't say it suddenly makes holidays more affordable, it makes flying in a nicer class more affordable.

deviantfeline · 26/08/2024 09:23

Me and DH have done three return trips in first class in BA to the West Coast of US on Avios and paid just taxes.

  1. I used a Ba Amex and had a big sign up bonus plus a companion ticket once you hit the spending target.
  2. All my spending went on the credit card and it got paid off at the end of every month
  3. I used to fly once a week for work (UK only) on fully flex tickets also paid for (and reimbursed) via the BA Amex
  4. I signed up for a Platinum Amex that had a massive sign on bonus.
  5. All my expensive travel expenses went in the Amex.

Didn't take long but yes you need to be spending a lot and flying a lot.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 09:27

@deviantfeline platinum card costs £650 a year and yet the sign up bonus was only 40,000 this year, last year Barclays and Amex Premium sign up bonuses were 60,000 and the fees are more than half the platinum card. They haven't gone as high as that this year, I haven't even seen Barclays do a bumper bonus this year, sign bonuses haven't been as generous this year annoyingly.

ChocoChocoLatte · 26/08/2024 09:40

Not quite the same but we save Tesco clubcard vouchers and turn them into hotels.com stays

nomoretreats · 26/08/2024 09:50

ChocoChocoLatte · 26/08/2024 09:40

Not quite the same but we save Tesco clubcard vouchers and turn them into hotels.com stays

Oh I didn't realise you could do that. Thanks for the tip.

Avios - unless you have your own company/ can put everything through the card it would take years to save up enough points.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 10:04

Avios - unless you have your own company/ can put everything through the card it would take years to save up enough points.

Not necessarily. DH and I have earned enough points to get to the US in business class in less than a year, we each got a card with a sign up bonus and the Amex with companion voucher. It'll be slower now but not years. Lots of different ways of accruing Avios.

Fluffycloudsfloatinginthesky · 26/08/2024 10:13

I can convert my nectar points to Avios /l- is that worth doing does anyone know? Not sure how it compares against just using the points to knock off shopping cost.

chipsandpeas · 26/08/2024 10:13

i have a BA Amex and a barclaycard avios card and all spending goes on these and i get a companion voucher via amex for free flights, BA also has a online cashback like site but for additional avios so again any spending that can go via that helps
https://shopping.ba.com/

and i also fly from scottish airports using avios but a lot of the time you do need to connect thru heathrow or gatwick

nomoretreats · 26/08/2024 11:01

pearvines · 26/08/2024 10:04

Avios - unless you have your own company/ can put everything through the card it would take years to save up enough points.

Not necessarily. DH and I have earned enough points to get to the US in business class in less than a year, we each got a card with a sign up bonus and the Amex with companion voucher. It'll be slower now but not years. Lots of different ways of accruing Avios.

Interesting. Can I ask how many points you used each for that particular flight? From what I've seen everything is a minimum 60,000 points for an off peak flight to Miami (for example).

I spend on average 2k a month on my American Express nectar card and am nowhere near 60,000 points! In fairness I've only had the card a couple of months but estimating it will take years to get anything out of it.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 11:06

@nomoretreats it was about 180,000 points from memory (business class), so would have been 360,000 points for both of us if we didn't have the companion voucher.

We have the Amex premium card so we get 1.5 points.

We got 2 x sign up bonuses this year (60,000 each), I convert nectar points (shop in sainsburys), got 7000 points instead of taking the upgrade voucher from Barclays. And the rest will be from spending over about it 12 months.

It's all about the sign up bonus, did you sign up to a good bonus? They have elevated ones at different points in the year.

The gold card is a good option as it's free for the first year, gets lounge passes too, and 25,000 sign up bonus (but only eligible if you go for that before the BA Amex)

pearvines · 26/08/2024 11:06

Oh and don't forget you can pool into a household account.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 11:08

If you don't have a partner I believe the companion voucher can be used to halve the points used, so you could get the flight I did for 90,000 for example. I think, would need to double check that.

pearvines · 26/08/2024 11:08

Oh and only if it's the BA premium Amex for any class. Otherwise would only be economy.

LoudSnoringDog · 26/08/2024 11:15

We have Amex premium. Use it for almost everything across the month ( approx 3-3500k spend). We have about 220000 points currently.

Looking at using them for somewhere next summer

nomoretreats · 26/08/2024 14:56

pearvines · 26/08/2024 11:08

Oh and only if it's the BA premium Amex for any class. Otherwise would only be economy.

Thank you for your help. I'll have a look.

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