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How would you spend differently?

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RandomUser987654321 · 08/05/2024 00:53

Wasn't sure on a title & not really sure what I want answering, I think I'm just looking for general money advice. I'm worried we're putting too much to one side for holidays, pensions, savings & not enjoying ourselves day to day but unsure. When I compare us to our friends they all have expensive things whereas we tend to buy experiences not material things but are always doing them cheaper and DIY which we do enjoy.

Prior warning... I want to try to give as much context as possible so sorry if I go off on some tangents...

These questions came about as today we decided to add up our combined savings, pensions & house equity. Combined I didn't expect to have as much as we have & I think its alot more than our friends who are in similar situations.

Now I'm questioning that we're not living for today enough, should we be going out for meals a few times each week etc & we're putting to much towards our retirement so just looking for some general advice.

Just a note too, none of this has come from our parents, its just from us working & saving, living well below our means. We've both had jobs since 16 and come from relatively poor families.

We're both 30 this year, no kids. As of this month, we both earn 65k.

Since 2018 we've saved to buy a house which we moved into in 2020, a week before the pandemic. In those 6 years pretty much, we've somehow accumulated £340k.

From the 340k a rough breakdown is:
~£100k pensions
~£155k house equity (around 50% equity - total house value is 315k)
~£50k ISA in S&P500
~£25k Cash in Easy Access account
~£5k Crypto (This was 20k invested in 2020, but lost it all is now back to around 5k)

My problem looking at this is we're too heavy on our pensions which we can't touch till 57 & also our house, though we're due to remortgage in a few months so cant take money out. I kind of took ownership of our money a few years back & didn't want to pay 40% tax so put our pensions up really high to put us under the tax bracket. A goal for me has always been to retire as early as possible as I ideally want to travel full time. But could I just be doing that now while we're 30? Thats one of my questions

From my salary each month, this is how I allocate it...
1k goes into my pension salary sacrifice (my pension pot is 30k)

Then from the money which reaches my account...
1k goes into Vanguard S&P500 ISA
£600 into our joint account. (Bills, food, joint spending)
£600 into my main account and just gets spent
£350 goes to the mortgage (this will soon be £500)
The remaining money (around £500) I try to save but sometimes gets spent, the past few months i've been spending heavily on a 'pay in 3' the first time i've ever been in some sort of debt so been using it to pay that off.

When I compare to our friends, we look poor compared to them from the outside. They mostly have BMW's, Mercedes or atleast brand new cars. Whereas we always have clapped out cars which are 10+ years old
They all have expensive clothes whereas mine have always been H&M & Uniqlo etc.

When we compare holidays & trips, I'd say we go on more trips than the average couple. In 2015, we went travelling for 3 years, In 2022 I took 2 months off between jobs & In Jan 2024 I spend 3 weeks backpacking while working, a weekend in Prague & a week together in lisbon.
Most years we'll go away atleast 3-4 times abroad. Last year we were ill quite abit throughout the year & I'd just changed jobs so we went on 2 cruises & 3 weeks in Devon. When we don't spend annual leave abroad, we spend it travelling the uk.

Our day to day lives aren't that exciting, we work from home & end up sitting in most evenings doing not much. When we do stuff, we tend to do it on the cheap such as camping.

What would your advice be? What would you do differently? Are we being too tight? Should we continue plowing £1k a month each into our pensions?
Another question is we're about to remortgage, what should we do there too? Should we take some money out while we can?

OP posts:
disneyparis · 08/05/2024 18:40

Jmaho · 08/05/2024 09:23

You haven't accumulated £340k at all. Bulk of this is in house equity which unless you sell and don't buy another property, isn't for spending. The other £100k is pensions.
If I added together both our pension pots, house equity and savings I'd have about £500k plus but it means nothing. We need a house to live in.
So really you have accumulated £80k.
Really don't understand the comment about remortgaging to take money out. What for? Makes no sense

agree with this!

150k in house equity, is not accumulated wealth, it's just what you have paid off your mortgage !

MiddleParking · 09/05/2024 09:06

MigGirl · 08/05/2024 16:39

They go on 3-4 abroad holidays a year and their life sounds dreadful 😢.

We are lucky if we get one (we do ha e kids though) and not everyone is bothered about fancy cars, I need a decent car to get me from A-B, our current family car is over 12 years old and still drives well and yes we could aford to replace it but don't see the need.

Op everyone has different priorities in life and I think as long as you are happy enjoy. What are you spending £600 pounds a month on though as that is a lot of spending money assuming your DH has similar, we don't have this much and still mange to buy nice things for us and the kids.

I was teasing slightly. I think OP is pretty pleased with her financial decisions.

Outnumbered99 · 09/05/2024 11:41

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/05/2024 01:58

Why do you care what other people do?

Seriously - why?

Work out what you want to to do with your lives. Work out whether your finances cover that - and if not, how to make them do so.

Forget the rest. It doesn't matter.

This ^^!

I find proper wealthy people often don't "look" it, And Im all for it. Yes, you could probably treat yourself a bit more short term, but you are treating yourself to financial security for the long term and that is the best self care I could possibly imagine. Hats off to you OP. If you and your partner are happy, then why change?

thurstonthethird · 09/05/2024 11:47

I don't think anyone can really give you any better advice than "do what you want", OP.

If I added up everything you've added up it would probably be more. But the allowances we give ourselves are less than yours.

Adding in house equity etc gives you a false sense of security. You still have a mortgage to pay so you're essentially in debt. The bank/ mortgage lender lent you money which you are paying them back. It's not your money because you need a home.

All I can say is it doesn't matter what other people do.

Just look at the numbers, work out the lifestyle you want now and when you retire, and find a way that fits.

Bumpitybumper · 09/05/2024 11:58

thurstonthethird · 09/05/2024 11:47

I don't think anyone can really give you any better advice than "do what you want", OP.

If I added up everything you've added up it would probably be more. But the allowances we give ourselves are less than yours.

Adding in house equity etc gives you a false sense of security. You still have a mortgage to pay so you're essentially in debt. The bank/ mortgage lender lent you money which you are paying them back. It's not your money because you need a home.

All I can say is it doesn't matter what other people do.

Just look at the numbers, work out the lifestyle you want now and when you retire, and find a way that fits.

Edited

Absolutely this, you need to take some time to work out your intrinsic goals and what matters to you. Don't be guided by others. People on this forum would have you believe that spending money on a flash car or expensive holidays is wasteful but it can be money very well spent if it brings you immense joy. Obviously there is always an element of being sustainable and sensible but not everything in life has to be or should be this way.

Outnumbered99 · 09/05/2024 11:59

I miss read the 3-4 times a year as weve been abroad 3 or 4 times! And why would you look to increase your mortgage @RandomUser987654321 that does seem an odd plan, i would definitely concentrate on paying it down not increasing it!

TorroFerney · 09/05/2024 12:10

NoBinturongsHereMate · 08/05/2024 08:38

Why on earth would you do this? Your house equity isn't a savings account waiting to be spent.

This.

Edited

This - op you are looking at it in a really odd way in my opinion. What are you denying yourself that you want to do, perhaps look at that. Don't try and get rid of equity.

snowlaser · 09/05/2024 12:27

1 - You seem to have manged your finances superbly: well done!
2 - I note that you have no children. If you DO plan on having children you will find the demands on your money enormous compared to now, so saving now is a good idea.
3 - You seem like you are a bit bored in the evenings...time for some new hobbies/interests? Whether they cost money or not isn't the point....but it's light evenings now: go for a walk or a run etc
4 - What other people do is irrelevant. Totally irrelevant. They have different earnings, different goals in life, different health and life expectancy, different things they enjoy. Any time you compare yourself to other people it's likely a mistake.

Plexie · 09/05/2024 14:06

As PPs have said, don't include house equity as 'savings' and definitely don't take money out of equity for anything other than dire straits.

I would say you're putting too much into investments and not enough into cash savings. £1k a month into pension and another £1k a month into a stock market ISA is too much, especially if you're then going into debt to pay for items. And you've lost £15k on crypto. Too much volatility and risk.

Which pot of money are the holidays being paid from? You're spending £600 a month on stuff and up to another £500 on more stuff.

I would reduce the monthly amount into the S&S ISA to no more than £500 (and probably less - maybe £300) and put the rest in cash savings, with a view to building up a cash ISA to make the most of tax-free interest.

Are you actually married or just living together? If not married, then you just have your £30k pension pot and no claim on your partner's if you were to split up.

As for the balance between pension investment now vs. lifestyle while you're young, you can only judge that in hindsight in your 60s or 70s.

YorkNew · 09/05/2024 15:39

Keep your pension contributions or even up them (so worth it, this is coming from someone in their mid 50’s who is retired with no money worries).

Have a play around with the money you put by for holidays, have a think if cheaper holidays and more regular fun money for eating etc out would work better for you.

Savings, up to you, maybe create some pots such as for Christmas and other fun events so you don’t feel you are missing out and you aren’t sending money silly nilly,

Are you planning to have DC?

YorkNew · 09/05/2024 15:58

Having re read your post how about allocating some money just for fun so you still feel in control of your finances? For example £500 per month is for seeing friends, eating out, theatre trip etc.

mewkins · 09/05/2024 16:29

Jmaho · 08/05/2024 09:23

You haven't accumulated £340k at all. Bulk of this is in house equity which unless you sell and don't buy another property, isn't for spending. The other £100k is pensions.
If I added together both our pension pots, house equity and savings I'd have about £500k plus but it means nothing. We need a house to live in.
So really you have accumulated £80k.
Really don't understand the comment about remortgaging to take money out. What for? Makes no sense

This jumped out at me too. This is a house you live in so discount that entirely. Likewise, if your property value goes down, don't view it as money you've lost (unless you go into negative equity). It means nothing unless you sell and have somewhere to live for free. Live how you're comfortable living and spend money on what's important to you bit never for status or how it looks to others.

LottieMary · 09/05/2024 16:48

Keep your savings as they are (or increase them!) and look closely at what that ‘extra’ 600-1100 is being spent on. That’s where you’ll find your ‘live for now’ money

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