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How much would you give to charity....

105 replies

OrgasmingNeighbour · 10/04/2024 15:20

... if you had £70K per year spare?

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lotsofquestions2 · 10/04/2024 21:24

I would have a look at more local charities, we have a local church who advocate for a SEN rest-bite centre and who are desperate for funds. My daughter also horse rides for a charity who help pay the costa however have had to stop new applications due to lack of grants and funding, I think lots of little charities are struggling in the current climate.

I would also look to help people locally to me to connect with the community, local families, school, kids football clubs etc. not quite the same but I help a local lady who lives near to me who I found out about through Facebook. She was reaching out for advice as someone had left mid job and I found out basically people were taking advantage, charging £60 to change a lightbulb etc and so I've helped her (not financially as I cannot afford to) but with time, I take her shopping to help her save money on taxis and carers and we've struck up a friendship and she's basically become part of the family!

LauderSyme · 10/04/2024 21:30

I can't imagine having 'spare' money as I can always find a use for it! Perhaps especially being a single parent.

But let's say I did have £70k, I would probably donate about £10k a year. It would feel very satisfying to be able to support good causes more than I currently can.

I would look into combining charity and investment (if that's even possible) and research investing in a social enterprise, a sustainable enterprise or a credit union.

I would also look at crowdfunding websites to see if any individual requests caught my eye and tugged at my heartstrings.

Pallisers · 10/04/2024 22:30

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator I believe she earns 275k (in dollars - I am in the US). the average CEO in my state earns between 790k and 1,200,000. When they recruit to replace her I imagine they will have to increase the salary.

CharityMatters · 10/04/2024 22:52

NC for this because if linked to some of my other posts it could be outing.

Some of the responses on here are so disheartening. Multiple posts saying charities are greedy, wasteful and suggesting that staff at charities should be paid less than they would in the same job but in a for profit company. Why? Their rent/mortgage/bills etc are the same as everyone else’s. Their work is as hard. And significantly - their work is important.

I work for a small, specialist, charity but one that there is a reasonable chance you will have heard of because (and yes I am boasting because I am proud of it) we are really good at what we do and we make a significant difference not only to our service users, but the wider general public. I have seen people speak of our work, admiringly, on MN. We are far smaller than most people realise and oddly enough, I think fewer people donate to us because they assume we must have lots of money given our relatively high profile.

I earn 3 times less than if I did the same job in a for profit company. I know that, because I am often headhunted by them. I am good at what I do and I work very long hours. The only reason I can afford to work for my (amazing) charity is because I am old enough that I don’t have massive uni debts and my husband is a high earner. Of the handful of other people at my charity, most are in a similar position. Frankly, it shouldn’t be like this.

Our charity is massively struggling to recruit. We want the best people because the work is specialist and important. It is work that has to be started in the private sector so that is where we advertise jobs - or sometimes just call some of the people we know since we are in the same field. Many have said they want to come to us because of what we do - but they can’t afford to take the drop in salary. They have mortgages, nursery bills, student debt, need to build their pensions etc etc.

We are asking them to do the same job, for around half the money (they are more junior than me). So I understand why they say no, but what I can’t understand is the attitude of people on this thread who think that these people should offer their work for less than they can be paid elsewhere if they choose to use their skills in a charity. Why?

We also need staff to do the support work, secretarial work, admin etc. Again we can’t pay market rates. We can’t recruit so we are doing it ourselves which is frankly a waste of our skills and means we can help fewer people. Again it seems that multiple people on this thread think it’s only right that people working in a charity should be paid less. Again, why?

I genuinely worry that in a few years time we will have to close purely because we cannot find the staff because we cannot pay them enough. And it’s depressing that this is in part because people think those working in charities should be paid less and so don’t donate even when they can. And if I was able to share on here what we do/who we are, you’d likely realise that there is every chance you or someone you know will be worse off (not financially!) without us being around. And I bet that’s true of many other charities too.

Sorry for the essay, but this thread really wound me up.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/04/2024 23:00

I'm involved with a branch of Samaritans so I'd give them some, and a community owned farm, who'd id give to. Both charities where I could follow the money so I'd ask them what they needed but would probably then look at an annual donation totalling about £5k each.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/04/2024 23:06

Oh also a children's hospice, so I'd split the money, maybe up it to £4k each

SeeingRainbowsInTheGloom · 11/04/2024 07:09

@CharityMatters I'm entirely with you. I get so tired of seeing the same comments. I work for a non-profit who do amazing work,but yes, all of us could earn far more working elsewhere. Also, like any organisation that's not tiny we have to have all the support functions in place. So, an HR team, an IT team, finance, legal and safeguarding advice, facilities staff, receptionists etc. No doubt all of that is seen by some people as overhead, but it's all a fundamental part of allowing us to provide the service we do. No organisation could do what we do entirely with volunteers, we have an international reach and highly respected within our sector.

curiositykilledthiscat · 11/04/2024 08:22

Absolutely nothing.

OrgasmingNeighbour · 11/04/2024 08:48

CharityMatters · 10/04/2024 22:52

NC for this because if linked to some of my other posts it could be outing.

Some of the responses on here are so disheartening. Multiple posts saying charities are greedy, wasteful and suggesting that staff at charities should be paid less than they would in the same job but in a for profit company. Why? Their rent/mortgage/bills etc are the same as everyone else’s. Their work is as hard. And significantly - their work is important.

I work for a small, specialist, charity but one that there is a reasonable chance you will have heard of because (and yes I am boasting because I am proud of it) we are really good at what we do and we make a significant difference not only to our service users, but the wider general public. I have seen people speak of our work, admiringly, on MN. We are far smaller than most people realise and oddly enough, I think fewer people donate to us because they assume we must have lots of money given our relatively high profile.

I earn 3 times less than if I did the same job in a for profit company. I know that, because I am often headhunted by them. I am good at what I do and I work very long hours. The only reason I can afford to work for my (amazing) charity is because I am old enough that I don’t have massive uni debts and my husband is a high earner. Of the handful of other people at my charity, most are in a similar position. Frankly, it shouldn’t be like this.

Our charity is massively struggling to recruit. We want the best people because the work is specialist and important. It is work that has to be started in the private sector so that is where we advertise jobs - or sometimes just call some of the people we know since we are in the same field. Many have said they want to come to us because of what we do - but they can’t afford to take the drop in salary. They have mortgages, nursery bills, student debt, need to build their pensions etc etc.

We are asking them to do the same job, for around half the money (they are more junior than me). So I understand why they say no, but what I can’t understand is the attitude of people on this thread who think that these people should offer their work for less than they can be paid elsewhere if they choose to use their skills in a charity. Why?

We also need staff to do the support work, secretarial work, admin etc. Again we can’t pay market rates. We can’t recruit so we are doing it ourselves which is frankly a waste of our skills and means we can help fewer people. Again it seems that multiple people on this thread think it’s only right that people working in a charity should be paid less. Again, why?

I genuinely worry that in a few years time we will have to close purely because we cannot find the staff because we cannot pay them enough. And it’s depressing that this is in part because people think those working in charities should be paid less and so don’t donate even when they can. And if I was able to share on here what we do/who we are, you’d likely realise that there is every chance you or someone you know will be worse off (not financially!) without us being around. And I bet that’s true of many other charities too.

Sorry for the essay, but this thread really wound me up.

Edited

Thanks for your insights @CharityMatters I understand this totally.

I absolutely agree that people working in the charity sector should be paid competitively to reflect the responsibility and complexity of their jobs.

This isn't my personal grip with large charities. I don't even mind them having nice offices to work in - this contributes to staff well-being and retention.

My issue is with how much large charities waste on bullshit projects, and that this wastage can be become quite invisible or overlooked because of how large the charity is. I have worked with several large, national cancer charities over the years. These charities have paid millions to bank roll the entire careers of several academics I've worked with who have produced... nothing.

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Ariela · 11/04/2024 08:48

I regularly give lump sums to charities. I tend to pick ones that will improve other people's outcomes as opposed to eg animal charities.
So last four were
Air ambulance
A reading scheme for primary children (trained 10 volunteers to go into schools)
A gardening type scheme which helps disabled young adults into work.
A defibrillator supply charity (one of my brothers was lucky to have had one available)

CRE2024 · 11/04/2024 10:35

@CharityMatters I actually agree. My response about waste and mismanagement was not directed towards the people working for charities or in the voluntary sector - I am one of those people and have done it since I graduated a LONG time ago. It's about the voluntary sector system itself. The bulk of the funding for most organisations I have worked for actually comes from local government grants and then small pots of money from larger grant making bodies. Hardly any money comes from individual donations. This means that many charities are at the behest of what is fashionable in funding circles. It creates a cycle where perceived needs of a community are being "addressed" but perhaps real needs are not, which is wasteful.

But I agree that charity sector jobs are underpaid and more vulnerable. I have been made redundant several times in my career due to funding issues and the salary that I would command now is almost the same as it was when I graduated in 2000. Have a look at Good moves - a charity job site...the salaries are depressing.

Quercus5 · 11/04/2024 11:52

I found this book really excellent for deciding which charities to give to: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aint-What-You-Give-That/dp/0957163304.

It gives you ways to research which charities need your money most, which ones achieve the most with the money they have, and how to give so the burden of admin on the charity is minimal.

OrgasmingNeighbour · 11/04/2024 13:50

Quercus5 · 11/04/2024 11:52

I found this book really excellent for deciding which charities to give to: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aint-What-You-Give-That/dp/0957163304.

It gives you ways to research which charities need your money most, which ones achieve the most with the money they have, and how to give so the burden of admin on the charity is minimal.

That looks super interesting, thank you Smile

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Youdontknowmedoyou · 11/04/2024 14:04

Nothing at all. Nothing in this world is ever run for the benefit of anyone except the person/ people at the top running it. Nothing. I'd set up my own family for life, then consider the few close friends I have. Then I'd spend it. However I choose - holidays, experiences, good food and the like. But no. Nothing to charity.

weegiemum · 11/04/2024 15:38

We give 10%

ZombieBoob · 11/04/2024 19:24

For me I'd trawl the just giving pages and donate to people who really need it. It goes straight to them rather than getting eaten up by costs ect

Tahlullah · 11/04/2024 19:31

I don’t know how anyone can really answer that for you without more information!

Define ‘spare’. Is mortgage all paid off? Any debts at all? Retired or working? If working, do savings cover a period of unemployment? Any dependents, and financial stability of dependents? Any charities you’re passionate about? Etc etc

StMarieforme · 11/04/2024 19:32

Please please find small local charities to support, who do not use up 50/60% of their donated income on fat cat salaries.

In my city that would be things like this-

www.emmanuelhouse.org.uk/

My only exception to that would be Maggie's- they are a fabulous support
With their drop in centres. They also pay decent, but not ridiculous, salaries.

RickyGervaislovesdogs · 11/04/2024 19:35

SilverCatStripes · 10/04/2024 20:13

Honestly OP I would look at local charities/local fundraising projects/local community groups because you know your money will be spent on what they are saying it will be spent on. And even donating 10/20% of your spare money would make a huge impact on small local charities/groups.

This!^

Be very careful.
I donate to charity, but now only closer to home. Some aren’t charities at all, help themselves and lie. I recently enquired about how a dog was doing after their Cherry eye op and got blocked! Then the entire post and dog were removed. (DH checked) Wags and whiskers I’m looking at you.

saraclara · 11/04/2024 19:45

I'm not saying that it's particularly logical, but I tend to favour charities where a small amount of money has a disproprtionate effect.

So those charities that give people in poor countries their sight back, with very cheap and quick cataract operations; the smile train that fixes children's cleft palates so that they can eat and drink, and are not spurned by their communities. Providing a safe water source for a village. All of these things are so effective and so life changing at such small cost.

So I'd probably give £10k to one of those.

SevenSeasOfRhye · 11/04/2024 19:47

£0

ZeroFucksGivenToday · 11/04/2024 19:49

If I had that kind of money I'd help a couple of smaller community groups. So for me, I know an utterly fab voluntary org that helps wildlife all the time. They're crippled with rising costs and have an outstanding vets bill of nearly £3000. I'd ring the vets and pay it off fully.

or buy toys for the community group that runs the toy appeal.

I wouldn't give a set amount to a big charity at the moment. I'd find the local smaller groups that are desperate.

Mimrr · 11/04/2024 19:54

What a lovely dilemma. I tend to give to small local things run by volunteers. 100% efficient a lot of the time.
I would do food banks, school appeals, local environment things. e.g. I donated litter pickers that D of E kids can use in my local litter picking group. £100 for a doubly useful cause. Wouldn’t touch the sides in a big national charity.

Jeannie88 · 11/04/2024 19:55

If I could have this much to donate, for me it would animal charities abroad, here and hospice care among others. Xx

smellslikecinnamon · 11/04/2024 19:58

hagchic · 10/04/2024 19:42

Not a penny. I have children and believe firmly that charity begins at home.

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